Greg Monks replied to Mitch Newton's discussion Atonal music and naturals
"Interesting. I use the same methodology in atonal music and that using floating tonality."
Nov 13, 2017
Stephen Ferre replied to Mitch Newton's discussion Atonal music and naturals
"I've never heard on anyone saying don't use naturals in atonal music. On the contrary, there are composers that say put an accidental in front of every not (except those immediately repeated). You can see this in scores by Boulez and (IIRC)…"
Nov 13, 2017
Gary Bob Mosse replied to Mitch Newton's discussion Atonal music and naturals
"To look to the future, examine the past.  Music writing as we know it began around 1200 AD. We don't know whatGreek music sounded like-only the emotions it invoked.  Writing began with a single line representing Middle C or whatever pitch worked.…"
Nov 13, 2017
Mitch Newton replied to H. S. Teoh's discussion A fugue in 1 voice? Ludicrous!
"I just want to come back to this point because I think it's interesting. It would be really hard to write a fugue for an overtone singer because they are (at least from what I've seen) only able to sing the first few harmonics over any given…"
Jan 15, 2017
Olmnilnlolm replied to Mitch Newton's discussion Atonal music and naturals
""Unequivocal ambiguity is the hallmark of flexible bias."
I became . . . I don't know . . . I can't say. So I deleted my last post on the ambiguity issue. But I 'm not sure I should have done that."
Jan 22, 2015
Olmnilnlolm replied to Mitch Newton's discussion Atonal music and naturals
"Bob Porter said,
“Ondib, “That our present form of notation may mutate into something different is not the issue here.”
I agree. The issue is not that it MAY mutate. The issue is that it HAS been mutating, it IS mutating now, and that it will soon…"
Jan 22, 2015
Olmnilnlolm replied to Mitch Newton's discussion Atonal music and naturals
"Hello Fredrick,
Thanks for your reply. You said, “The latest installment by Ondib the Prolix reads like it could have been written by our old friend Saul.” Sorry, I don’t know who “Saul” is. I thought you wanted to keep the conversation focused and…"
Jan 21, 2015
Olmnilnlolm replied to Mitch Newton's discussion Atonal music and naturals
"Thank you, Bob and Fredrick, for your recently posted thoughts on this topic. Bob, you posed a number of very good questions, and I apologize if I cannot deal with all of them in this post.
You asked,
"Are you saying that a computer rendition of…"
Jan 19, 2015
Olmnilnlolm replied to Mitch Newton's discussion Atonal music and naturals
"Thank you Bob, for weighing in on this issue.
“Seems to me that any music written on staff paper, with some sort of clef, and measure lines, tonal or atonal, needs to be notated in proper standard notation.”
Written on staff paper. What if it were…"
Jan 19, 2015
Johan Halmén replied to Mitch Newton's discussion Atonal music and naturals
"I guess most of us agree that there be no different rules for different styles of music. But the rules of accidentals apply on what happens inside one bar. What happens in the next bar is not that much about rules, but about conventions. Should we…"
Jan 18, 2015
Olmnilnlolm replied to Mitch Newton's discussion Atonal music and naturals
"Hello Fredrick,

Perhaps a parable will make the situation easier to understand.

One day, the Great Maestro was asked, ‘is it right to violate the Laws of the Staves?’ The Maestro said to the students, ‘What man is there among you who has sharps,…"
Jan 18, 2015
Olmnilnlolm replied to Mitch Newton's discussion Atonal music and naturals
"Greetings, Fredrick.
You said,
“The subject is whether or not a would-be composer should make every effort to notate his/her composition for clarity of expression and which would by definition mean not only no mistakes in the parts but that the…"
Jan 18, 2015
Olmnilnlolm replied to Mitch Newton's discussion Atonal music and naturals
"Hello, Fredrick.
It’s nice at the end of the week to take time out to discuss such interesting issues as we frequently do here, on the composers forum.
I had said, ‘what if Olivier Messiaen was right when he said music was about the “charm of the…"
Jan 17, 2015
Greg Monks replied to Mitch Newton's discussion Atonal music and naturals
"I don't know any conductors who would spend any amount of time on a hard-to-read score. They'd just glance at it, pass it back, and move on.
Lots of amateur/young composers take their offerings to a local youth orchestra, and none I know of will…"
Jan 15, 2015
Greg Monks replied to Mitch Newton's discussion Atonal music and naturals
"$100 an hour???
Here in Saskatchewan, only the 1st chair people are paid in the SSO and the RSO, and they only get a stipend.
Getting paid is a running joke in the circles I wobble in :^) Fredrick zinos said:
"As to the "do any damn thing you want"…"
Jan 15, 2015
Greg Monks replied to Mitch Newton's discussion Atonal music and naturals
"That's a moot point in my estimation, Frederick. Most performances are a matter of the conductor's interpretation, not the composer's wishes or intentions. It's a given these days that hot-shot young conductors put their personal spin on a…"
Jan 15, 2015
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