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"Oh yeah, up-bows and down-bows, I forgot about those. I do know about positions also; in fact I bought a violin from a pawn shop just to see if what I wrote was playable - mostly for double stops etc. I must have forgot about the symbol for that."
"Nope. Unless there's some extended technique involved, index finger is labeled 1st, pinky is 4th. That's it.
The V is bowing. An upstroke, specifically. michael diemer said:
You mean violonists don't use their thumbs?"
The V is bowing. An upstroke, specifically. michael diemer said:
You mean violonists don't use their thumbs?"
"Useful indeed. The one with Oistrakh is absolutely hypnotic. One of my favorite violinists, espcially love his Sibelius Concerto rendition with the Cleveland under Szell. I don't know if he used Ravel's fingerings or not on Tzigane, but his own…"
"You mean violonists don't use their thumbs? I always did when I played guitar. In fact the only digit I didn't use was the pinky on my right hand. So what does that V stand for, anyway? I know there are only 4 strings on the violin, so it can't be…"
"It's so much easier to judge when you see the score and don't have to rely on perfect pitch (which is absent in my case) and other things like that ;/
I can definitely say that neither is playable by a single person, or at least not in the tempo…"
I can definitely say that neither is playable by a single person, or at least not in the tempo…"
"Thanks for all comments thus far on this thread. I am learning many fascinating things about the violin from reading what you have had to say. I have a reworded question for this thread about Fingerings for Violin and Cello:
My previous question was…"
My previous question was…"
"I thought I saw a roman numeral V in that score. Anyway, I reckon I need to get my facts straight before I start spouting off on subjects I am not really that knowledgeable about. And anyway, I agree with you Greg, the less clutter in the score,…"
"Not excessive at all, indeed. I'm afraid there isn't a single fingering marked there on the first page of Tzigane. There isn't anything suggesting Ravel's unusual meticulousness, either - what is there should definitely be there in any professional…"
"I think you only need markings when the technique you want to mark is essential to the result you wish to produce.
For example. Iannis Xenakis knew that if he did not mark a certain passage for the violin "flutter tongue" --and tell the player…"
For example. Iannis Xenakis knew that if he did not mark a certain passage for the violin "flutter tongue" --and tell the player…"
"http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Ravel+Tzigane+Sheet+Music&q......
While this brief example would not be excessive, I would imagine that as the piece progresses there would be more markings. But I was making a…"
While this brief example would not be excessive, I would imagine that as the piece progresses there would be more markings. But I was making a…"
"Do you have an example of Ravel's excess fingering specifications? It does make me curious, but I can't come up with an idea as to why he would deem it necessary to include such markings, at least not without an actual score to look at.
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"By no means did I wish to imply that violinists don't know how to play their instrument, Greg. I think in the vast majority of cases, the numberings are unnecessary. the violinist will make the instrument do what it needs to do to convey the intent…"
"This is the eternal question, isn't it? How much control do you need to exert to make sure your artistic vision is realized in the final performance? I think it will depend on the exact result you wish to achieve. Think about the Bartok Quartets.…"
"No violinist I know would ever be grateful for adding a ton of useless numbers to the score, myself included. I'd rather have less markings than more if I'm going to try and ignore them anyway (and fingering / positions is such a personal thing that…"
"You are free as the composer to write in fingerings. the violinist is free as the performer to alter them. hopefully, in an artistic manner, consistent with the composer's vision. It just depends on how well you understand the instrument, and how…"
"Thank you for this! I really appreciate getting an inside look at how a higher education in music works."
