Melodies comes very easy to me. I collect hundreds of them but very few actually makes it to finished songs. Not because they aren't any good, but because I have yet to find a method for taking cate of them all. Building an arrangement is painfully slow for me.

I would like to know how you all go about building an arrangement for a new piece of music. Where do you start? In what order do you do things? Do you have any well proven methods of working to share?

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  • i am the same as you. I get melodies constantly, but i feel useless and can do nothing with them.....
  • For me, I clear any preconceived musical concepts from my head before I sit down to compose. Using the DAW, I will choose my palette, find the sweetspot of the instrument, and without meter, start recording lines one after another. Whatever comes to me at that present moment gets laid down as a pattern on a track. The wilder and crazier, the better. I may record 20-30 of them in about 1/2 hour. Maybe 100.

    The next part is my favorite. Using a scoring layout in the DAW, I can then easily and quickly move parts around, copy/paste, replicate, invert, position until some fundemental theme begins to emerge. Not unlike sculpting. In all cases, it is never, ever suspected and always surprising. Once this core theme emerges, I then adjust the parts to build it up, reinforce or remove if I'm going for negative space. The main point here is that it's fun and I work with constant musical feedback. I always either look for the humor in the piece or some drama. The piece will tell you where it wants to go. With synths, I look for arpeggiations with delay to start, then backfill with atmospherics

     

    I've scored using Finale and other tools but this technique by far has been the fastest, the most creative and joyful.

  • That's pretty much how I did my quartets. When you say "without meter" do you mean you record without a clicktrack? I usually do that when I first lay down a melodic foundation, because if i start searching for the right song tempo the inspiration is gone. After I get it down I tap the tempo in to get it right. But I'm usually get so into the details that the flow of the work slows down a lot.

    The weight of the thing for me is that I feel a great responsibility that I get the arrangement just right, I owe that to the melodies, and there is just so many directions a song can go, even if the music tells me where to go in large.

    Art Hughes said:

    For me, I clear any preconceived musical concepts from my head before I sit down to compose. Using the DAW, I will choose my palette, find the sweetspot of the instrument, and without meter, start recording lines one after another. Whatever comes to me at that present moment gets laid down as a pattern on a track. The wilder and crazier, the better. I may record 20-30 of them in about 1/2 hour. Maybe 100.

    The next part is my favorite. Using a scoring layout in the DAW, I can then easily and quickly move parts around, copy/paste, replicate, invert, position until some fundemental theme begins to emerge. Not unlike sculpting. In all cases, it is never, ever suspected and always surprising. Once this core theme emerges, I then adjust the parts to build it up, reinforce or remove if I'm going for negative space. The main point here is that it's fun and I work with constant musical feedback. I always either look for the humor in the piece or some drama. The piece will tell you where it wants to go. With synths, I look for arpeggiations with delay to start, then backfill with atmospherics

     

    I've scored using Finale and other tools but this technique by far has been the fastest, the most creative and joyful.

    What to do with the inspiration
    Melodies comes very easy to me. I collect hundreds of them but very few actually makes it to finished songs. Not because they aren't any good, but be…
  • Thanks Alan : ) I'm too usually most creative at the end of the day. But a lot of the melodies comes while doing the dishes, vacumcleaning or feeding the sheep, or some another practical work  that have nothing to do with music.

    Alan Medeiros said:

    I usually go by intuition and most of the times it works great! If I think too much about it, the inspiration goes away...

     

    One funny thing that happens to me is that I am more musical and inspired between midnight and 3 am, much more than the other hours during the day. When I can't sleep well I know that there is a song or a paint/drawing waiting to be born... LoL.

     

    True though... =D

     

    P.S. Fraser is a very cool song, it reminds me a cool game that I used to play when I younger, it was a medieval game, lots of fun! :) Leaps of Joy is also a great tune and the title fits very well.

     

     

    What to do with the inspiration
    Melodies comes very easy to me. I collect hundreds of them but very few actually makes it to finished songs. Not because they aren't any good, but be…
  • It's very hard to say how my melodies come - sometimes it's inspiration, sometimes it's hard construction work, in a cerebreal way. Most of the time, inspiration and brains co-operate.

     

    Much more important for me, however, is defining the form of my composition in the first place. Whatever I do, whether it's writing, drawing, or composing, it's the "grand design" where I start. For instance, the first thing I knew about the oboe quartet I'm currently working on, is that it will consist of four parts. When I zoom a little bit in, I know that the Scherzo will be a reggae, with gamboling cello and after-beat chords (and hidden counterpoint) played by double-stopped viola and violin. A syncopated oboe melody sings above this, in the beginning, instruments change tasks later on.

     The reaggae-scherzo will be in ABA-form: the B being a trio with South-American and out-of-this-world allusions.
    Only when I'm this far, I can start thinking about melody!

  • For me the title of a piece is important for me to figure out before I think of going from the simple melody phase to the completion of a piece.  I, like you, have melodies just sitting on my computer waiting to be plucked up and worked on.

    I tend to do most of my composing when I'm not at my computer.  I get many ideas on how to sculpt the music when I'm driving or at work.  I have a hand held recorder that I sing the melody or arrangement into until I can get to my workstation and lay a more completed track down.

  • Hi Lennart, yes, I often intially record without a clicktrack. I work with the EWQL libs and I found that I wanted to adjust the timing of the notes so as to get more expression with the attack or release of the sample (leading/lagging the energy of the sample/melody line). This gives me a little rubato which I like to use. I can always go back through and resync the tempo track in post if I need to. I use the piano roll for adjusting pattern timings.
  • That's very true, But could it not also be said that the technique and the compositional skill is what brings the content out? If I write a speech I can use the most exquisite and cultivated language, build all my sentences just right and yet have nothing to say. The opposite is to have the most heartfelt and important message to deliver and not being able to express it, so no one can understand it and take part of it. In one case we have something very beautiful without any form of meaning, and in the other case we have a lost message.

     

    In the case of Beethoven, I would say that his astounding technique made it possible for him to deliver a musical message that was very restrained to begin with. I would not be able to make so much with so little in such a extraordinary way. I have to have more to work with before I can make music off it, because of lack of technique. But that's not to say that my melodies have more content than a E♭ major chord. How many notes does it take to make a melody?


    Fredrick zinos said:

    The ability to develop a piece of music from a musical idea is probably dependant on the amount of compositional skill the composer has developed. Evidence points to the fact that with enough technique you don't actually need an idea. This is is a good thing. Musical ideas become important, meaningful and relevant not due to their intrinsic content but because of what a skillful composer can make out of them. Look and listen to what Beethoven did in his 3rd symphony with an Eb major chord.
    What to do with the inspiration
    Melodies comes very easy to me. I collect hundreds of them but very few actually makes it to finished songs. Not because they aren't any good, but be…
  • I look for a little motif that appeals to me, so that expanding on it is more likely to be fun, rather than feel too much like work. I'm afraid the truth is, I'm pretty lazy, and am far less likely to spend hours of effort trying to make something out of what I've begun to feel is really nothing. But on my longer pieces that I like ( and there aren't many, be sure of it...), I honestly could not tell you how much actual time I spent putting them together, or even very much about what my specific thoughts were while making different choices, one over another... I HAVE thought about this before, and it is just a WEIRD thing... I don't say that it's akin to being in some kind of a trance, but it seems that, the more I've enjoyed composing a piece, the less I can remember about the details of doing so. I've never understood this at all, and it actually unnerves me a little bit, unless the explanation is as prosaic and simple as ' time flies when you're having fun '...
  • Taking Cate can give you musical inspiration. But, seriously- I look at building music this way: If I come up with an acceptable melody I can see arrangement possibilities within that melody. A melody can imply a particular key and also a series of chords. How many chord changes can I write for a given melody? You see, the melody starts to grow in terms of harmony. Next, I might consider a variety of rhythms to complement that melody, and then we're dealing with a complexity of issues- melodic line, chord progressions, and rhythm. Those combinations of elements usually give rise to other compositional ideas that are usually based on the strongest established elements. Sometimes the process gives rise to crap and other times to brilliant stuff. Another way that I start is with a simple rhythmic structure, like two or four measures that contain chord changes on half notes, followed by a couple of measures of unusually accented eighth notes. So, a simple idea like that can plant a seed for an entire symphony.
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