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  • I don't like to see music get completely ignored on forums, because it is hurtful when you put your heart in to something, share it with people, and are met with crickets.  

    It would seem to me that you are using this as an exercise in developing your ability to use counterpoint.  This kind of personal exploration is important to learn, but if I'm to be completely honest, it might be beneficial to work with a composition mentor whose music you appreciate, and receive direct feedback as you progress.  At this stage of your development, posting on a forum may or may not help you, depending on the thickness of your skin and your willingness/ability to accept potentially helpful, but also potentially hurtful feedback.  

    Keep plugging away!

    Dave

  • Thanks, David, yes I think you are right, the best would be to have a mentor
  • Hi Jostein -  David is right, a personal teacher is the best way to learn things.  I notice we have made some suggestions for you to study here before.  If you don't want to deal with a tutor perhaps you would want to talk about what you are studying and how you are applying what you learn to a specific piece of music. If you do that and post a score I think that people here would be willing to make suggestions that would help. You can certainly learn by just experimenting but as David has said you are posting in a thread that is called "Critique" along side of some highly accomplished musicians.

    There is a thread that is called "Suggestions Wanted" that will place your posts here on the main page where others will see them and be more inclined to be helpful.

  • Also agree. Counterpoint - well, I'm perhaps traditional - it's about two or more voices sounding together but are independent tunes in themselves. It's possible to study by yourself but I'd suggest "species counterpoint". You learn how to put two (or more) voices together so they harmonise. You may not always want concordant harmony but at least you know what you're doing whent you want non-harmony notes in the line. A teacher is the right way, then you can also learn the elements of harmony if you want to. 

    Your initial melody is pleasant. Your accompaniment (that you call counterpoint) takes away from the flow. If you can harmonise the melody, a pleasant "broken chord/choral" accompaniment would turn it into something overall nice.

    Keep trying though. Experiment is great but a tutor's help may speed things up. 

  • Thanks, Ingo and Dane

    After posting some music here, I think it is best to be independent then composing.

  • Hi Jostein,

    Thank you for posting this - you have a rather individual style of writing which can only be good. There are people on CF of widely divergent experience and abilities and it's interesting for us to see a nascent spirit emerge. The suggestion of a tutor is a good one - only you can tell if the sounds you have produced here are what you heard in your head and are precisely what you wanted them to be. The very best arbiter of that is you yourself - if you find it difficult to create on the page what you hear in your head then some study is required - either with or without a tutor. The best and only genuine test is whether or not you like what you hear on playback - if you do then all's good, if you don't then get back to the drawing board and study a bit more. By study I mean read and more importantly listen to what other composers have done to achieve what they have done....if you like what you hear then it's good to practice on paper to replicate their sound. Once you know how to do it, it's time for you to experiment to produce an individual sound you're happy with. For example, a good look at how Beethoven's musical style progressed throughout his career would illustrate my point and you could learn much from that. And of course in this day of electronic media you could do that very easily via YouTube or similar.

    Someone once said that 'life is like trying to learn to play the violin in public'.....well learning to compose doesn't have to be in public but if it is be prepared for a variety of responses and, as David said, develop a thick skin and don't take harsh criticism too personally - just learn from it if you can, or ignore it if you can't.

    Finally, learning to compose is a long process but it can be very enjoyable and satisfying....just remember, there aren't that many people out there who can do what you are already capable of. Stick with it - I'd love to hear your first symphony in ten years or so - something to strive for eh!

    Stephen

  • Thanks for the kind words Stephen, dont know about the symphony, but I think this

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb3vj9zTHX0&list=RDNb3vj9zTHX0&am...

    is some of the best music.

    Jostein

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