Last week a friend sent me a little Beethoven theme sketch from 1799 for probably a Rondo for a piano concerto. Based on this I wrote this "Mini"-Rondo of about 2 minutes, which someday I may work out for a whole movement: I hope you will like it:


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  • Wow!  A lovely solo piano intro but when the band kicked in just after the 2:00 minute mark it took me to a different place than I was expecting (I wasn't looking at the score - just listening). This is brilliant!  And very a propos of comparisons to Beethoven. Congratulations on the accomplishment! And, yes, I would love to hear it developed into a full movement.

  • This is such a beautiful theme!  Yes, please do work it out to a full movement. This theme deserves it!

    It does sound like a fitting finale for a piano concerto; maybe if you're ambitious enough you could even fill in a 1st and 2nd movement? ;-)  Don't know if Beethoven left any clues as to what the main theme(s) might be, but his finales tend to be generally usable across multiple pieces (e.g. main theme in finale of 3rd symphony also used in Creatures of Prometheus), so arguably one could just write anything of the appropriate character for the 1st 2 movements and it'd Just Work(tm).

  • Very pleased to listen to. I looked at the score and have a question: should two eighth note rests, for example, be written as one quarter note rest for neatness sake? I see you left eighth note rests as is and not convert them into quarter ones in one measure.

  • there are certainly some inconsistencies in the notation. bar 8 is missing a quaver (8th) rest in the piano right hand and bar 9 in the left hand, despite being rhythmically identical to bars 8 and 10, show three single quaver rests. Of course in a 6/8 time signature, you would not normally want to split rests across the main divider which is the centre of the bar but these examples (and there are various others later on) suggest to me a notation software which is not allocating rests in a very intelligent manner or requires more user input than I'd expect. Not sure what software is being used here?

    The music itself is quite fun and it might be interesting to hear it developed further.


    • I use the notationsoftware Finale and I don't know why it behaves this way regarding the rests. To change it I have to treat all instances manually. I didn't find out how it would work out automatically ...

      • OK, I don't know Finale at all well unfortunately as I've never used it. There are certainly other Finale users on this forum who perhaps could give tips if needed. With Dorico, I can't think of a situation where I needed to manually correct the rest allocation (you can set certain preferences about beat splitting but then everything follows automatically).


  • Brilliant and very "Beethoven", well done. This experiment of yours reminds me of the AI Symphony that was done where they feed incomplete themes of Beethoven's into a program trained to "write like Beethoven". Who knows what the fully fleshed out ideas would have sounded like?

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