Hi,

here's my last piece, a quatuor with clarinet composed algorithmically with Opusmodus.

His name is Less Than Eight.

Attached the pdf Score direct output from Opusmodus and a mp3 render made in Notion5.

For the full commented code (if you are interested), you can read it here:

http://opusmodus.com/forums/index.php/topic/125-lessthaneigth-for-string-quartet-and-clarinet/

hope you will like it.

S.Boussuge

LessThanEightRv03Light.mp3

LessThanEight.pdf

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  • Hi, here is my opinion for what is worth:

    I had a quick look through the score and the documentation and I listen to this piece carefully, and these basic questions formed in my head:

     

    Did you compose anything yourself?

    Every musical parameter is controlled and predefined by algorithmic  arbitrations.

    Did you at least control those algorithms somehow?

    What exactly did you determine throughout this piece and what did you leave to chance?

    Did you take any decisions at all?

    Why do you call this piece your own composition? It is not your own, it is your computer's.

    Anyhow, that's the feeling it gives me. (In the end all algorithmic pieces sound the same, I've heard them all before).

    A little more philosophically: What exactly was your inspiration/intention in coming up with this? What did you want to say to the rest of the world? 

     

     

    NOTE

    (3+2+2/8) rhythmic group throughout did not only tired my ears, it even hurted my eyes watching it.

    No variety at all. It needed some manipulation there (algorithmically, I mean).

    This same rhythmic unit is used (very imaginatively and with good melodic results) if we decide to compose something in it ourselves. In Greece it is considered as the national rhythm and it is associated always with a dance called "Kalamatianos" in many traditional songs. Google it if you are interested.

  • Opusmodus is "only" a tool to express a composer's ideas.

    It can produce some very unmusical results if the composer who uses it has no idea.

    Opusmodus just does what the composer asks it to do.

    If the composer says: "please, play some random notes in random rhythms" Opusmodus will do it, but,

    for me, random notes and random rhythms are not music, just randomness...

    But if the composer has ideas, Opusmodus can help him to explore these ideas, help him to play with them and finally to construct a piece with these ideas.

    With this piece, I have tried to compose something I like and also a pedagogical piece for Opusmodus users.

    To Answer your questions:

    Did you compose anything yourself ? 

    According to my criteria, yes: I had an idea of what I wanted to achieve, and composed it with the help of Opusmodus.

    Did you at least control those algorithms somehow ? 

    I did design and write all the algorithms and parameters, carefully planned, thought and auditionned . 

    What exactly did you determine throughout this piece and what did you leave to chance ?

    Appart the algorithms, I have mainly determined the relation between events.

    Did you take any decisions at all ?  

    When writing the algorithms and the piece itself yes ! Literally hundreds…

    Why do you call this piece your own composition ? It is not your own, it is your computer's.

    ???? my computer can't compose any music by itself.

    A little more philosophically: What exactly was your inspiration/intention in coming up with this? What did you want to say to the rest of the world? 

    Music always changes and absorbs the contextual century cultural and technological way of life and working.

    In every century, composers have used the latest tools an technologies available

    (for example, Beethoven changed his style of composition at the same time the piano evolved and he used each technical progress/development of the instrument during his life, same for Franz Lizt etc...).

    We are in the 21st century and we use computers for doing many things. We can eventually use computers to compose music and use their capabilities for exploring new ways (or not). 

    I am sorry if you don't like my music, it is probably because I am not a very good composer but in any case we cannot say it is Opusmodus fault.

    Probably Opusmodus in the hand of a better composer than me would produce better music, like a pen in the hands of Bach produces better music than it would in someone's else.

    But what i want to say is the fact i compose my music with or without Opusmodus, but it is always a very personal act of creation.

    Also, i have noted your words about 7/8 repetition and grouping and will certainly be careful to introduce more variations in some of my futures compositions, but many piece was composed without meter changes in past...

    SB

  • very interesting piece.  can't believe how close-minded some are in this forum.  a computer is just a tool to express something (just like a guitar mr. socrates) and has the potential in the right hands to achieve unique and wonderful things that can't be done otherwise. 

  • Are you serious man? Of course I agree, a computer is only a tool. So is a hummer or a pair of pliers. You can use them to both build and create, or to destroy and disarray (if you've got two left hands been the secomd case).

    I don’t have anything against tools neither was I talking about them, it is you and stephane that started talking about tools, while I was talking about music. (n'est ce pas, stepane?)

    Now, if you cannot perceive the difference between a "tool" and a musical instrument and you think that a computer has the same properties and expressive capabilities as a guitar, that is only your opinion and you are welcome to it, but still, I would find the guitar, err.. sexier, that's it!

    So would the majority of this planet's inhabitants, imo.

     

    (btw, it's all about sex and politics in the end of the day, on every aspect of human life, music been a primary example as in the piece under discussion. (as usual)



    m finegold said:

    very interesting piece.  can't believe how close-minded some are in this forum.  a computer is just a tool to express something (just like a guitar mr. socrates) and has the potential in the right hands to achieve unique and wonderful things that can't be done otherwise. 

    Less Than Eight for Quartet with Clarinet
    Hi, here's my last piece, a quatuor with clarinet composed algorithmically with Opusmodus. His name is Less Than Eight. Attached the pdf Score direct…

  • Read on and believe it. Give 'em a cello and they will bang their heads into a wall repeatedly until it sounds like a piano, just because someone else told them it's supposed to. Ivory towers and fantasies abound on the internet. This place so far is no exception.
    m finegold said:

    very interesting piece.  can't believe how close-minded some are in this forum.  a computer is just a tool to express something (just like a guitar mr. socrates) and has the potential in the right hands to achieve unique and wonderful things that can't be done otherwise. 

    Less Than Eight for Quartet with Clarinet
    Hi, here's my last piece, a quatuor with clarinet composed algorithmically with Opusmodus. His name is Less Than Eight. Attached the pdf Score direct…
  • wow, lots of strong opinions about "modern" music around here and fear of computers making music.  but tools like this can be great aids in generating unique ideas that you may not have thought of otherwise.  many ideas that composers "create" are re-hashes of things they've already heard or old patterns that their hands have fallen into, so even many human created compositions can be reduced to a series of patterns and tendencies on some level.

  • Spot on. And a sad, terrible thing that is, too.

    michael diemer said:

    It succeeds for what it is, and what it is trying to do: the deconstruction of music, until it is nothing but a collage of unrelated fragments, expressing nothing musical or emotional. In this, it has much in common with most modern music.

    Less Than Eight for Quartet with Clarinet
    Hi, here's my last piece, a quatuor with clarinet composed algorithmically with Opusmodus. His name is Less Than Eight. Attached the pdf Score direct…
  •  it is nothing but a collage of unrelated fragments

    absolutely not "unrelated fragments " !

    In all section, the basic glue is the rhythmic game with rhythmics cells shared by the different parts with rhythmical canons etc..

    in some other sections, the glue is not only the rhythmics cells but a complete classical motivic play with imitation,inversion, retrogradation etc... of same units.

    About the chromatic style who may be hurt you, i must say the first sketchs of the pieces was mainly modals and Mixolydian but finally i released a more chromatic version because this piece was originally composed as an exemple fir Opusmodus Forum users who are mainly interested by post serial and chromatic style.

    You will find attached 2 primary sketch of the piece in Mixolydian mode.

    SB.

     

    LessThanEight131014_1709AMixolyd.mp3

    LessThanEight131014_1654AMixolyd.mp3

    https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8608196661?profile=original
  • How do you know this?

    Why should we believe you?

    Are we then in the "matrix" and there is no way out of it? If everything is so absolutely pre-determined (algorithmically) what is the point in us taking any artistic decisions or making choices?

    What is "negative eternity"?

    Where you there watching it when it started happening?

    We remain open minded to coherent replies.

    Kristofer Emerig said:

    I'd go further to say everything manifest in our reality is the result of one enormously complex algorithm, churning away since negative eternity.

    Less Than Eight for Quartet with Clarinet
    Hi, here's my last piece, a quatuor with clarinet composed algorithmically with Opusmodus. His name is Less Than Eight. Attached the pdf Score direct…
  • Please, provide a PDF score for your modal versions (as per forum rules).

    stephane boussuge said:

     it is nothing but a collage of unrelated fragments

    absolutely not "unrelated fragments " !

    In all section, the basic glue is the rhythmic game with rhythmics cells shared by the different parts with rhythmical canons etc..

    in some other sections, the glue is not only the rhythmics cells but a complete classical motivic play with imitation,inversion, retrogradation etc... of same units.

    About the chromatic style who may be hurt you, i must say the first sketchs of the pieces was mainly modals and Mixolydian but finally i released a more chromatic version because this piece was originally composed as an exemple fir Opusmodus Forum users who are mainly interested by post serial and chromatic style.

    You will find attached 2 primary sketch of the piece in Mixolydian mode.

    SB.

     

    Less Than Eight for Quartet with Clarinet
    Hi, here's my last piece, a quatuor with clarinet composed algorithmically with Opusmodus. His name is Less Than Eight. Attached the pdf Score direct…
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