Do you think that there is such a thing as musical inspiration ? Is it possible to hear inspiration in a piece of music, and which ones in particular ? Have you ever felt that a piece of yours has developed more as a result of inspiration rather than conscious decision-making ? Do you really think that inspiration comes from "up there" somewhere, or is it just neurological trick that our brains play with us from time to time ?

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  • For me there is a very real and large difference between inspirational moments or periods where the music comes through me as if I were a medium of some kind, and then the majority of the time which is using my brain to do what I know works and to still make something that is interesting and creative. To me it [inspired moments] is not an intellectual act, but a spiritual. And I am from a Catholic family so I have given up on religion long ago, so I mean this in the true sense of spirituality and not in the dogmatic religious sense. Sure the brain can tell us what notes to make next but when you gestalt do they really REALLY work in an inspired way? Maybe if you labor intensely they will end up sounding pretty good, but its still (in my opinion) not the same as when you get something that REALLY resonates on the highest of levels

    Thomas Green said:
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    I can't begin to explain how this happens, but I guess it may be the brain re-organising all the tunes in its subconscious into something new that makes sense."Don't get me wrong, I know what you're talking about here. Knowing how to let go and let it flow is very important. I just wonder if this is a fairly normal thing. In a sense, this happens multiple times during the course of writing. You could say that every phrase, or every few notes just pop into your head, fairly unannounced. How they get there? Who knows. Maybe neurologists or something. I still maintain that the conscious, relatively deliberate work which happens after this is at least equally important, and in many cases makes or breaks the thing. But how much emphasis is on one or the other process no doubt depends on the individual.
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  • You seem to be so caught up in what rules make up your world of cerebral music that you have no ability to see intent regardless of if its 'official' or not. I use the VERB gestalt as my own morphing of its context, to refer to the concept of backing up high above the myriad of complexities and to look down at the big picture. I really am beginning to not like you. A computer based media composer who claims Ravel sucked and Shostakovitch sucked. I think you should try and put away the anger at your own failures and try to love a little more, because in the end that's all that matters in this world, not placing yourself above other people of brilliant nature to self aggrandize and create a lofty position for yourself in your mind.

    Adam Fergler said:
    Hmmm... 'Medium of some kind'. This implies that the music is already in existence somewhere in the ether and that you're the lucky soul through which it chooses to hit a piece of manuscript paper. I'm not sure that's believable; not in terms of spirituality anyway. I know what you mean about those moments where everything seems to come together and you can get good stuff down on paper faster than you can think about it. However, I'd say that was a subconscious rather than a spiritual phenomenon. If you're writing in a certain style then there is music hanging around that you'll have heard and absorbed. It's probably that which is coming back out and through your pen. I wouldn't call it inspiration; I'd call it luck.

    Oh, and 'Gestalt' is not a verb. I have no idea what gestalting would be. To give shape or form to an idea perhaps?
  • Gosh, what did I start here ?

    I've read all the posts with interest.

    I sort of know what Chris means, but maybe he puts it a bit strongly.

    If you're new on a music site and you start proclaiming that Ravel is a poor orchestrator and that Shostakovich is over-rated, you are perhaps inviting people to think "who is this guy" and what are his credentials to pour scorn on some of the iconic figures of classical music ?

    I like your debating style, but I have heard these sort of off hand dismissals of icons before. It's like the once fashionable view that Rachmaninov is over-indulgent goo.

    Maybe these once esteemed icons have their faults, but you have to take a bow to anybody whose music has consistently filled concert halls for generations...before jumping to dismiss them out of hand.

    And if you do, you're sort of sending out a message that says :

    "I know more than all these people who have been for so long deceived by pap"
  • As I told you in a private message (check your chat bar), I removed your post, because it was completely off topic and only concerned with an obvious problem between you and I. Get back on topic, please, or I will continue to remove ;-)

    Thanks!

    Thomas Green said:
    "
    I sort of know what Chris means, but maybe he puts it a bit strongly."

    I'd be careful about what you say about Chris, Adrian. The last post I left seems to have been removed - it was definitely there for a short while - and I can only assume that Chris performed this action.

    Actually, this one will probably also be removed. I don't suppose he would be happy to leave it where it is and return the last one?

    I fail to see the basis of this censorship.
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  • ah shucks, I never knew it was getting this heavy, man !
  • Its the nature of forums that are built on communities of intelligent yet disparate people who often arrive at creating music through personal turmoil and need for strong ego. I have no ill will towards anyone, I only hope folks are getting what I post, at least a little bit, rather than diving further into the shields that we have built and finding cause for offense rather than growth.

    Anyone that has known me for longer than a day or two, knows this of me, and that I have never ever deleted a post that was topically on and was not needed to be deleted in defense of CF members or with our forum policy. I have actually not deleted any post on the forum since Jan Civil had a post with her piece then she deleted the piece from the post (leaving nothing for music content in the dissection forum). That was mid of last year.

    I urge both Thomas and Adam to consider the content of your statements please, and how they are perceived to the forum community. And while I urge you all to keep posting with strong opinions, the stronger your opinion is, the more you are leaving yourself open to be challenged. Post! But if you post harshly, expect harsh critique ;-)

    Adrian Allan said:
    ah shucks, I never knew it was getting this heavy, man !
    Is there really such a thing as "inspiration" in composition ?
    Do you think that there is such a thing as musical inspiration ? Is it possible to hear inspiration in a piece of music, and which ones in particula…
  • Hi all,
    I haven’t been following this discussion, just sort of stumbled across it, and it’s a great topic that certainly has me thinking.
    I spent many years in an improvisatory trio called the Nth Degree. At the heart of our material was a bunch of songs, or instrumentals, where we had a basic chord sequence, melody, sometimes lyrics. Each time we went out we just allowed ourselves to reinterpret this stuff, the only preconception was our familiarity with the material, however it chose to arrive, initially. Where ever it took off to, was down to many factors; the mind set of players, the acoustics of the room, i.e its ability to support dynamic playing, the emotional placement or performance of a single chord, a keyboard sound, ideas flowed from polyrhythmic interaction, shared cultural musical knowledge… whatever. But flow, and reach outwards to reinvent itself constantly it did.
    I became so emotionally engrossed with the sheer beauty of this process that I came to the conclusion that I as a mere mortal, was merely a conduit for something much greater than myself, and that for me (or my ego) to claim ownership of any of my contribution, was a some kind of cosmic joke. And before I get bombarded by copyright arguments, I’m perfectly respectful of the need to sell music through ownership, though I wish we didn’t have to. All I’m saying is, that at that time I needed to be humble within my own personal musical Nirvana. And indeed I still feel that way today.
    I personally think that the source of my inspiration, is the same evolutionary process that creates this beautiful universe around me. An intelligence capable of such profound beauty that see’s a gap and attempts to fill it with the Crab Nebula, a Butterfly or a Dung Beetle to see if will survive, interact and succeed. I am merely a tiny part of this whole, and a filter for this process, and thank heaven it plugs me in chooses me from time to time, and allows me to make whatever mess I can of it.
    Michael J Lawrence said some very succinct things in his reply of the 21 January, and I empathise with his thoughts totally.
    “There is, somewhere, an intrinsic statement that is trying to get out. It's not so much about creating as discovering”.
    “Composition is the only voice I have that ever said what I actually mean. And what I have to say is in response to all the intangible glory and fury of this universe. If not so, then what's the point?”
    The DAW itself allows me to reach an honest place within my artistic life, too, and to communicate my ideas to others. I can only celebrate the inspiration that that idea, in itself, gives to me.
    And finally, I’m grateful for the mystery that surrounds the source. That mystery for me, is the source. I don’t try to understand it or comprehend it’s mechanics, I don’t want to.



    Anne Goodwin said:
    Yes, there's the old saying that success is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine percent perspiration! :) However, we cannot really do the perspiring until the inspirational 'flash' has occurred, can we? :)

    Thomas Green said:
    "
    I can't begin to explain how this happens, but I guess it may be the brain re-organising all the tunes in its subconscious into something new that makes sense."

    Don't get me wrong, I know what you're talking about here. Knowing how to let go and let it flow is very important. I just wonder if this is a fairly normal thing. In a sense, this happens multiple times during the course of writing. You could say that every phrase, or every few notes just pop into your head, fairly unannounced. How they get there? Who knows. Maybe neurologists or something. I still maintain that the conscious, relatively deliberate work which happens after this is at least equally important, and in many cases makes or breaks the thing. But how much emphasis is on one or the other process no doubt depends on the individual.
    Is there really such a thing as "inspiration" in composition ?
    Do you think that there is such a thing as musical inspiration ? Is it possible to hear inspiration in a piece of music, and which ones in particula…
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