I'd like to share....

This piece of music, called "the former's will is fatter" (somehow directed to my older and by far more tonal piece "the latter shall splatter", which you can also find in this forum!). Instruments are Flute, French Horn (Horn in F), Viola and Cello. Being rather chaotic, with few repititions, somewhat strange rhythmic, etc. ... - I wanted to see, what any of you think about such music. I'm trying my best to fit into postmodernism, but I really don't know, where it stops being "good". So I ask you to listen to my (ca.) 6 minutes of music, and leave a productive critic - No silly comments about "dreadful" harmonies, please! Greetz, Ario.

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  • I see where this is going... go ahead and give your opinion.

    What disturbs me alot are the people, who have absolute no relation to similar music and comment upon their very subjective opinion, which becomes worthless in such contexts. On the other hand, you've got these "innovative" composers, who spend their lifetime nagging about those "listeners", who I have mentioned above.

    I don't like either... To show, what the meaning of my rather decent restriction is.


    Ario.

    Anne Goodwin said:
    Ario, you have this piece in Music Dissection. This means that anyone who critiques your music is supposed to be able to say what they really think about the music. Before I say anything whatsoever, for better or worse, I want to know if you truly want to know what I think because if not, then I'd rather not waste my time. And yes, it is quite possible that I may make 'silly' comments, just to give a warning. Also, just to give another warning, while I am not 'closed' to atonal music, my general feeling about such music is that it has to be damn good in order to succeed. So, again, let me know if you truly want my thoughts or if you don't; you probably know me well enough by now to know that I have an opinion on almost anything. :)
  • I find the music, I mean the atonal harmony, polyphony and rhythms, very deep and interesting. What worries me is the samples you used in exposing the music. This string solo (I guess this is a cello or bass sample) is over-used; the stiff and monotonous string sounds spoil the impression, especially in slow passages. I guess this will sound better with a string group, may be even with some arpeggios instead of long-sounding single notes. Using even simple arpeggios (you can make them atonal as well) enables you to add dynamics similar to a live performance. Overall, the atonal feeling of this piece is great!
  • I appreciate you guys listening to my music (which I even consider rather difficult, myself!)... Thanks.

    I see, (Andrew G) you've given me the same critic (sound issues), once more.

    Say... what would you recommend for a Finale user? After all, I do not have people to perform my music yet.
    I use VST Instruments, to make the music sound fairly "real"... Which VST's - or other technologies - do you prefer over (e.g.) Edirol orchestral?

    Looking forward, to getting some good tips : -p

    Greetings

    Ario.

    AndrewG said:
    I find the music, I mean the atonal harmony, polyphony and rhythms, very deep and interesting. What worries me is the samples you used in exposing the music. This string solo (I guess this is a cello or bass sample) is over-used; the stiff and monotonous string sounds spoil the impression, especially in slow passages. I guess this will sound better with a string group, may be even with some arpeggios instead of long-sounding single notes. Using even simple arpeggios (you can make them atonal as well) enables you to add dynamics similar to a live performance. Overall, the atonal feeling of this piece is great!
    I'd like to share....
    This piece of music, called the former's will is fatter (somehow directed to my older and by far more tonal piece the latter shall splatter , whic…
  • But after this step (going to MIDI) you will probably burn the bridge back to the Finale score, so before doing this, try to refine this score as much as possible. For example, replacing the voices and making arpeggios instead of organ points (long notes) is better in the original score.
  • Hey!!! Thanks alot!

    I used to work with T-Racks, which would edit the whole track... And never got the point in the abbreviation "DAW"... Gonna try it right now!

    Very glad, for this input - You've both done me a great favor...


    Best wishes,

    Ario.
  • One thing a composer (actually artist) should always be aware of, is to do his arts conciousely!

    Never write a melody e.g. slowly, just because it's easier then... Or try to stay with a certain style, because you might like it, not becuse it's the only one you know.

    And so, I recommend from the depth of my heart, that every composer (or becoming composer), should follow the progress of the avantgarde and not stick to classical/romantic/pop (etc. ...) - music...

    If you think it's difficult, then let me tell you, that the only rule of modernism, is to ignore all rules of the classic... (e.g.: don't put the typical C major after a G major -7... try getting rid of all typical relations between harmonies and write free of those methods)

    When one can no more recognise a tonal relationship between the notes harmonically or melodically, then it's atonal!

    Ario.

    P.s.: excuse my lack of musical vocabulary in english, I've learnt it all in german :-)

    Per-Erik Rosqvist said:
    I thought I'd give this one a try.. I think I am not a genius at writing critique to this. So, from an amateur:

    I tend to become atonal if I by coincidence am really really drunk. I don't know about you, but yet the textures sound coherent or most of them. "Coherent" = with a thought to it.

    Intriguing, I have feeling this one will grow after a few listens, so I save this mp3...Thanks...
  • Well, dude, why so much reverb? which samples are you using?

    You are overusing the atonality and the dissonances. Try to outline a structure and show some themes rather than wandering from one idea into the other. I am sorry, but the that long chord and the long notes on the strings gave me a headache.
  • I use Edirol Orchestral...

    I guess I'll need to find a more modest way of writing atonal, but that would remind me of the late 19th century, which is kind of going backwards, isn't it? Need some more time...

    Also, I have worked alot with VSTi's, but never got a real feel on shaping the sounds... Tried MIDI editing too, but without any luck :-s

    Causing an headache with that rather short theme was pretty much intentional... I think, if the cause has it's "meant-to-be" effect, then the composer was successful in writing his music.

    Thanks for the critic though, nice christmas holidays - Ario.

    Miguel Marquez said:
    Well, dude, why so much reverb? which samples are you using?

    You are overusing the atonality and the dissonances. Try to outline a structure and show some themes rather than wandering from one idea into the other. I am sorry, but the that long chord and the long notes on the strings gave me a headache.
  • Hey man,,,

    Couldn't help noticing... You use the same orchestral samples I do- Roland Edirol,, I liked it! I think, as was said before, the dissonances are probably too pronounced, some subtlety would go a long way here. Having said that, it does suit my rather radical tastes! I would have loved to see you use more organ.. I thought that fit excellently into this context..


    "Causing an headache with that rather short theme was pretty much intentional"

    Never knew a composer who INTENTIONALLY causes headaches! :p I don't think that was quite what postmodern music is about! rather than using dissonance for the sake of dissonance, and "trying to fit in with the postmodernists", they use it as the new harmonies...to access territory unavailable to more conventional methods... My largest criticism for you is that I feel you sort of missed the point of writing this music... but on the other hand,, I actually quite liked it! twas well orchestrated, tasteful and varied. well done!
  • NICE

    I like at the end there is one held out note.. its held out to long dammit... hehe ;) to the great effect of putting a lump in between my collar and also in between my ears. It hurt and I kinda like it =P
    Its fun to have a song move from atonal and back to a tonality of some sort. Or even just to hint that there may be a tonal base somewhere but never actually touch it.

    This song however says, "There is no tonality here, just keep moving along..." but you want to peek deeper and see if just maybe there is a hint (that's when that last lump of a headache note hits)

    Wonderful and fun to listen too.

    I do think you would benefit from learning to use a DAW and better samples to clean up the "synthetic" sound but Edirol works enough for our purpose here.
    Another nice thing about having a DAW is you can render individual tracks for each instrument and then mix and EQ them and control your reverbs better. All of this gives you better tracks to master more effectively.
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