Hi,

I am very new in this VST effort.  I tried to use Cakewalk and TTS-1 builtin, to render my work.

Unfortunately the strings are too cheesy not even like strings.  I tried to play with

instrument parameters but could not succeed.  The output is attached below.

Next, I downloaded Sonatina Symphonic Orchestra and included it in Cakewalk VST facility.

I included Sonatina Orchestra's Vln, etc strings into my piece.  But when I played it with Cakewalk

cakewalk first began to violin parts normal but it dropped some sections and the it began to play

it staccato for strings.  (The brass is still in TTS-1).

I played with Cakewalk system parameters according to the manual. 

I wonder if this is done before by somebody?

I will appreciate any help.

 

Ali

Piece_for_Brass_and_Strings_II_CakeWalk TTS1cheesy.mp3

test2.mp3

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  • Hi Michael,

    Thank you for your kind advice.  I appreciate it.

    Ali

  • Hi Michael,

    I am making some progress with Cakewalk.  It is a large system, takes time to learn by try and fail.

    I found out that when using soft synth for Sinfonia SSO I have to use one for each MIDI channel.

    where as one TTS-1 is enough for up to 16 of them.  Currently, I have problems related to loudness

    and voice disappearing in a couple of locations.  I found out that RPN's were not included to the MIDI

    output of MuseSCORE, although  there is an option to do so.  Also, I have to try removing the header of the MIDI file, it seems as if it is causing problem. Also, when I change Volume while playing, it suddenly increases dramatically which I have to work on.

    Kontakt Player is free but I remember as if there are some limits as to the number of parts etc.

    Am I mistaken?

    Thanks.

    Ali

  • I second Komplete free as a nice way to get started. If you look around on the web many sample and adventurous programmers offer free versions such as Project Sam. As Michael says, there are free and low cost sounds out there that are pretty good. 

    Spitfire has a free strings library that sounds quite good.It is called LABS

     Garritan personal orchestra and Amadeus are two decent orchestra composition programs. The free programs sometimes don't include everything. I haven't checked Michael's link but maybe there are a few. If there is an instrument you want but don't have, you could look for singular instruments.

    As an example I searched "free clarinet vst" in Google and came up with this- Sonata Clarinet. You could substitute any instrument and probably come up with similar. ( Free ****** VST).If you download these, only use 64bit plug ins. Cakewalk uses 32 bit  with bitbridge, however I think it avoids issues not to use 32 bit since they are soon to be a thing of the past and not compatible with most recent DAWs. Lots of older poorly written plug ins cause crashes.

    The all in one orchestra libraries usually have everything. If you were to buy the full version of Kontakt, it has a full orchestra in it, plus you would have the added advantage that you now have it to be used with any compatible library. Since Kontakt is the defacto program for sample libraries it opens up a lot of doors to add libraries later on. It is is rather expensive to initially get at 399.00 US. NI want you to buy Komplete which has a bunch of sounds that the orchestra composer will probably never want. I could be wrong. There are also plenty of libraries in it that work well such as dedicated strings and brass.

    The Free Orchestra
    One solid gigabyte of free, cinematic sounds taken directly from ProjectSAM's acclaimed libraries. From orchestral string staccatos and brass cluster…
  • Thank you very much Tim. I am new in using Cakewalk and still learning.  I have a feeling that

    I haven't yet figured out moving MuseSCORE's midi output file to Cakewalk.  Today I made

    substantial improvemnts when I removed configuration and breath midi entries.  I learned

    how to edit the MIDI tracks today...  So any advice is precious and I will heed them when

    I come to that point.

    I appreciate your interest very much.

    Thanks.

    Ali
    Note: I succeeded importing Sonatina ORchestra vst I think.  The problem is

    using MuseSCORE MIDI outputs in Cakewalk.


    Timothy Smith said:

    I second Komplete free as a nice way to get started. If you look around on the web many sample and adventurous programmers offer free versions such as Project Sam. As Michael says, there are free and low cost sounds out there that are pretty good. 

    Spitfire has a free strings library that sounds quite good.It is called LABS

     Garritan personal orchestra and Amadeus are two decent orchestra composition programs. The free programs sometimes don't include everything. I haven't checked Michael's link but maybe there are a few. If there is an instrument you want but don't have, you could look for singular instruments.

    As an example I searched "free clarinet vst" in Google and came up with this- Sonata Clarinet. You could substitute any instrument and probably come up with similar. ( Free ****** VST).If you download these, only use 64bit plug ins. Cakewalk uses 32 bit  with bitbridge, however I think it avoids issues not to use 32 bit since they are soon to be a thing of the past and not compatible with most recent DAWs. Lots of older poorly written plug ins cause crashes.

    The all in one orchestra libraries usually have everything. If you were to buy the full version of Kontakt, it has a full orchestra in it, plus you would have the added advantage that you now have it to be used with any compatible library. Since Kontakt is the defacto program for sample libraries it opens up a lot of doors to add libraries later on. It is is rather expensive to initially get at 399.00 US. NI want you to buy Komplete which has a bunch of sounds that the orchestra composer will probably never want. I could be wrong. There are also plenty of libraries in it that work well such as dedicated strings and brass.

    Has anybody used Sonatina Symphony Orchestra with Cakewalk?
    Hi, I am very new in this VST effort.  I tried to use Cakewalk and TTS-1 builtin, to render my work. Unfortunately the strings are too cheesy not eve…
  • Hi,

    I finally did it.  It is attached below.

    The problems I met are shortly:

    1- Sinfonia soft synth works one per track, so 10 instruments means 10 soft synths.

    2-Headers and other controls in the MIDI file has to be deleted.

    3-Cakewalk base C is one octave lower than MuseSCORE. 

    4-Fortunately this is only scraping an iceberg, there are a lot more to be done

    by editing the MIDI tracks and possibly many more I am not aware at this moment...

    But, good, life is good.  Smiles.

    Ali

    Note: A detailed tech report will follow here and in my Blogger tech blog, with screen shots and minute

    details.

    Piece_for_Brass_and_Strings_II.pdf

    Piece_for_Brass_and_Strings_II_ARSfinal.mp3

    https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8607815471?profile=original
  • Glad to see that you are making progress. To get midi into Cakewalk from MuseSCORE I  export the files as midi from MuseSCORE onto my desktop. I then drag and drop the midi file into Cakewalk which should open the file up unless it is in some way corrupted.The file will not yet be connected to a sound source so instruments need to be loaded. I believe you have figured that portion of it out so far.

    To change octaves in Cakewalk right click on the midi data in the track. You will see a selection for "midi FX" . If you click that you will see selections for midi including a plug in that can change the octave of the music. Hope this helps.Good luck!

  • I changed reference C by:

    Edit->Preferences->Customization->Display->Base octave for pitches= -1

    Timothy Smith said:

    Glad to see that you are making progress. To get midi into Cakewalk from MuseSCORE I  export the files as midi from MuseSCORE onto my desktop. I then drag and drop the midi file into Cakewalk which should open the file up unless it is in some way corrupted.The file will not yet be connected to a sound source so instruments need to be loaded. I believe you have figured that portion of it out so far.

    To change octaves in Cakewalk right click on the midi data in the track. You will see a selection for "midi FX" . If you click that you will see selections for midi including a plug in that can change the octave of the music. Hope this helps.Good luck!

    Has anybody used Sonatina Symphony Orchestra with Cakewalk?
    Hi, I am very new in this VST effort.  I tried to use Cakewalk and TTS-1 builtin, to render my work. Unfortunately the strings are too cheesy not eve…
  • Nice Ali. There are usually several ways to do things in Cakewalk.The method you used is global. The second way only changes the project. If all tracks are to be changed, then on a PC CTRL+A selects all tracks or each one can be individually selected. Sometimes this is nice if you only wanted to select one track to work with. Hope this helps.8608624665?profile=original

  •  You may also want to try another free orchestra that possibly has an added advantage. PROJECT SAM

    I haven't tried that orchestra but it's free and you would have nothing to loose. The added advantage to it is a Kontakt Player version is included. I have been told this is one way to get crossgrade pricing to the full version of Kontakt 6. Libraries that come with  Kontakt player version often qualify. 

    The Free Orchestra - ProjectSAM
  • Reverb helps unreaalistic samples as were used to hearing these instruments in large spaces esp in symphonic contexts. Hearing them dry immediately draws attentention to them even further.

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