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Has anybody used Sonatina Symphony Orchestra with Cakewalk?

Hi,

I am very new in this VST effort.  I tried to use Cakewalk and TTS-1 builtin, to render my work.

Unfortunately the strings are too cheesy not even like strings.  I tried to play with

instrument parameters but could not succeed.  The output is attached below.

Next, I downloaded Sonatina Symphonic Orchestra and included it in Cakewalk VST facility.

I included Sonatina Orchestra's Vln, etc strings into my piece.  But when I played it with Cakewalk

cakewalk first began to violin parts normal but it dropped some sections and the it began to play

it staccato for strings.  (The brass is still in TTS-1).

I played with Cakewalk system parameters according to the manual. 

I wonder if this is done before by somebody?

I will appreciate any help.

 

Ali

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Hi Ali, the TTS-1 is a general midi set, and comes with many problems. I had to give up on using it in Cakewalk.  You will get much better sound with a full orchestral library. Sonatina is not bad for a free program, but spending a little money will get you something like Garritan or Miroslav, which are excellent beginner's libraries.

Another good free library is Virtual Playing Orchestra:   http://virtualplaying.com/virtual-playing-orchestra/

You need this to use it:   https://www.plogue.com/products/sforzando.html.

If you want to spend a little, I would buy Garritan Personal Orchestra for about 120.00.    It comes with an excellent player, Aria.  There are of course better libraries out there, but if you are just starting out in the DAW-VST world, Garritan is a good place to begin.  

https://www.garritan.com/products/personal-orchestra-5/

Just wanted to add: A better alternative to the Plogue sforzando may be this:

https://www.tx16wx.com

Apparently sforzando also has problems, according to the Cakewalk forum, but I have never had trouble with it.

The https://www.tx16wx looks like it's very versatile, and able to play many different types of files.

Hi Michael,

Thank you for your kind advice.  I appreciate it.

Ali

Ali, if you can't get Sonatina to work with TTS-1, I believe it will work in the free Kontakt Player. You can get the free KP by itself, and it is also included in NI's Complete Start, which comes with a bunch of free sounds (but is not really geared to classical composers, so I would just go with the KP by itself. It is a big enough download in itself). The KP is an excellent sampled music player. 

Hi Michael,

I am making some progress with Cakewalk.  It is a large system, takes time to learn by try and fail.

I found out that when using soft synth for Sinfonia SSO I have to use one for each MIDI channel.

where as one TTS-1 is enough for up to 16 of them.  Currently, I have problems related to loudness

and voice disappearing in a couple of locations.  I found out that RPN's were not included to the MIDI

output of MuseSCORE, although  there is an option to do so.  Also, I have to try removing the header of the MIDI file, it seems as if it is causing problem. Also, when I change Volume while playing, it suddenly increases dramatically which I have to work on.

Kontakt Player is free but I remember as if there are some limits as to the number of parts etc.

Am I mistaken?

Thanks.

Ali

Ali, Kontakt will let you load 16 instruments, although it may be better to have 2 or 3 instances of Kontakt than one. It all depends on your system. 

Yes, Cakewalk is a complex piece of software. There is a learning curve, no getting around it.

As for volume problems, you need to set some CC events. I use the Event List. CC7 will set a start volume, CC11 allows you to make changes as you go.

It's a good idea to join the Cakewalk forum if you really want to learn to use it. you will get a lot of help there. There are people who have been using Cakewalk since the 1990's. I myself have used it since 1998 or so.

https://discuss.cakewalk.com/index.php?/forum/2-cakewalk-by-bandlab/

I second Komplete free as a nice way to get started. If you look around on the web many sample and adventurous programmers offer free versions such as Project Sam. As Michael says, there are free and low cost sounds out there that are pretty good. 

Spitfire has a free strings library that sounds quite good.It is called LABS

 Garritan personal orchestra and Amadeus are two decent orchestra composition programs. The free programs sometimes don't include everything. I haven't checked Michael's link but maybe there are a few. If there is an instrument you want but don't have, you could look for singular instruments.

As an example I searched "free clarinet vst" in Google and came up with this- Sonata Clarinet. You could substitute any instrument and probably come up with similar. ( Free ****** VST).If you download these, only use 64bit plug ins. Cakewalk uses 32 bit  with bitbridge, however I think it avoids issues not to use 32 bit since they are soon to be a thing of the past and not compatible with most recent DAWs. Lots of older poorly written plug ins cause crashes.

The all in one orchestra libraries usually have everything. If you were to buy the full version of Kontakt, it has a full orchestra in it, plus you would have the added advantage that you now have it to be used with any compatible library. Since Kontakt is the defacto program for sample libraries it opens up a lot of doors to add libraries later on. It is is rather expensive to initially get at 399.00 US. NI want you to buy Komplete which has a bunch of sounds that the orchestra composer will probably never want. I could be wrong. There are also plenty of libraries in it that work well such as dedicated strings and brass.

Thank you very much Tim. I am new in using Cakewalk and still learning.  I have a feeling that

I haven't yet figured out moving MuseSCORE's midi output file to Cakewalk.  Today I made

substantial improvemnts when I removed configuration and breath midi entries.  I learned

how to edit the MIDI tracks today...  So any advice is precious and I will heed them when

I come to that point.

I appreciate your interest very much.

Thanks.

Ali
Note: I succeeded importing Sonatina ORchestra vst I think.  The problem is

using MuseSCORE MIDI outputs in Cakewalk.


Timothy Smith said:

I second Komplete free as a nice way to get started. If you look around on the web many sample and adventurous programmers offer free versions such as Project Sam. As Michael says, there are free and low cost sounds out there that are pretty good. 

Spitfire has a free strings library that sounds quite good.It is called LABS

 Garritan personal orchestra and Amadeus are two decent orchestra composition programs. The free programs sometimes don't include everything. I haven't checked Michael's link but maybe there are a few. If there is an instrument you want but don't have, you could look for singular instruments.

As an example I searched "free clarinet vst" in Google and came up with this- Sonata Clarinet. You could substitute any instrument and probably come up with similar. ( Free ****** VST).If you download these, only use 64bit plug ins. Cakewalk uses 32 bit  with bitbridge, however I think it avoids issues not to use 32 bit since they are soon to be a thing of the past and not compatible with most recent DAWs. Lots of older poorly written plug ins cause crashes.

The all in one orchestra libraries usually have everything. If you were to buy the full version of Kontakt, it has a full orchestra in it, plus you would have the added advantage that you now have it to be used with any compatible library. Since Kontakt is the defacto program for sample libraries it opens up a lot of doors to add libraries later on. It is is rather expensive to initially get at 399.00 US. NI want you to buy Komplete which has a bunch of sounds that the orchestra composer will probably never want. I could be wrong. There are also plenty of libraries in it that work well such as dedicated strings and brass.

Hi,

I finally did it.  It is attached below.

The problems I met are shortly:

1- Sinfonia soft synth works one per track, so 10 instruments means 10 soft synths.

2-Headers and other controls in the MIDI file has to be deleted.

3-Cakewalk base C is one octave lower than MuseSCORE. 

4-Fortunately this is only scraping an iceberg, there are a lot more to be done

by editing the MIDI tracks and possibly many more I am not aware at this moment...

But, good, life is good.  Smiles.

Ali

Note: A detailed tech report will follow here and in my Blogger tech blog, with screen shots and minute

details.

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Glad to see that you are making progress. To get midi into Cakewalk from MuseSCORE I  export the files as midi from MuseSCORE onto my desktop. I then drag and drop the midi file into Cakewalk which should open the file up unless it is in some way corrupted.The file will not yet be connected to a sound source so instruments need to be loaded. I believe you have figured that portion of it out so far.

To change octaves in Cakewalk right click on the midi data in the track. You will see a selection for "midi FX" . If you click that you will see selections for midi including a plug in that can change the octave of the music. Hope this helps.Good luck!

I changed reference C by:

Edit->Preferences->Customization->Display->Base octave for pitches= -1

Timothy Smith said:

Glad to see that you are making progress. To get midi into Cakewalk from MuseSCORE I  export the files as midi from MuseSCORE onto my desktop. I then drag and drop the midi file into Cakewalk which should open the file up unless it is in some way corrupted.The file will not yet be connected to a sound source so instruments need to be loaded. I believe you have figured that portion of it out so far.

To change octaves in Cakewalk right click on the midi data in the track. You will see a selection for "midi FX" . If you click that you will see selections for midi including a plug in that can change the octave of the music. Hope this helps.Good luck!

Nice Ali. There are usually several ways to do things in Cakewalk.The method you used is global. The second way only changes the project. If all tracks are to be changed, then on a PC CTRL+A selects all tracks or each one can be individually selected. Sometimes this is nice if you only wanted to select one track to work with. Hope this helps.

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