Hello fellow composers! I hope you enjoy listening to my composition. Being one of my first works I would like some feedback on its musicality, is it boring or does it keep your attention, do I develop the theme enough or should I make it longer? About the finale, being a drinking theme I wanted to end it in an ironic and glorious way, I hope you enjoy it! If you need the score I can post it later!

Have a good day, thank you in advance for your comments!

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  • Right again .  Art is only good if it is great. All others should just give up

    and realize they are doomed to failure.

    What's worse than a troll?  An elitist with an attitude that stifles creativity and

    growth.

    Lurian, your work is none less than blasphemy. How dare you insult the sacred

    fugue with this trite and preposturous effort. The fugue is not some 'toy' to have fun with.

    Tsk tsk. And to think that this was your first try at it. Well, it better be your last!

    Remember, don't ever rock the boat of established dogma. It's guardians are vicious

    and well entrenched. ( and some of them wear silly hats)   RS
     
    Ray said:

    Yet another troll.
    Fugue in Bb major on an italian drinking song.
    Hello fellow composers! I hope you enjoy listening to my composition. Being one of my first works I would like some feedback on its musicality, is it…
  • I don't consider myself a troll or an elitist, I am sorry if my composition offended you, it was not my intention. I just wanted to have fun writing a piece using this theme, and the fugue appealed to me as a form to use.

    This said, your harshness saddens me considering all the work I put into writing it.

  • No no no Lurian, I too thought your piece was fun.

    You misunderstand  who and what I was addressing with my comment.

    I was relaying to the post just prior to mine.
     
    Lurian said:

    I don't consider myself a troll or an elitist, I am sorry if my composition offended you, it was not my intention. I just wanted to have fun writing a piece using this theme, and the fugue appealed to me as a form to use.

    This said, your harshness saddens me considering all the work I put into writing it.

    Fugue in Bb major on an italian drinking song.
    Hello fellow composers! I hope you enjoy listening to my composition. Being one of my first works I would like some feedback on its musicality, is it…
  • Yeah Lurian, it ain't nothing wrong with this music, it worked for me too. Perhaps you should extend the ending into a full tarantella. Please post the score PDF, let us have a look at it.

  • Hi Lurian,

    Not bad for one of your first works!  (Definitely better than my first compositions... though that's not saying much.)

    One thing though: I found the first answer in the exposition unconvincing. You had a tonal answer there, probably per textbook recommendations, but I found that it distorted the theme a little too much this early on in the fugue. In particular, the repeated groups of 3 notes no longer match each other (descending 2nd vs. descending 3rd), which spoils the identity of the theme.  Perhaps a possible workaround might be to also lower the second group to a descending 2nd as well, in order to maintain the similarity to the subject.  Either that, or throw away the textbook recommendation of a tonal answer and find a way to sneak in a real answer without breaking the harmony (but this will be harder to pull off convincingly).

    I liked the various treatments you gave the theme. The humorous ending was nice and fun. Good job, and welcome to the fugue club! ;-)  Hope to hear more from you!

  • P.S. If you could post the score, I might be able to take a closer look at the exposition and give more specific suggestions for fixing the tonal answer.

  • Mr. Teoh, You have a discerning ear and seem to be an advocate for strick form...

     a notion that Mr. Zinos refers to elsewhere as 'predictability', if I read his comment

    correctly. Though I do not listen to much of the modern composers, it seems to me

    that this predictability was something that they labored to distance themsalves from.

    I thought that Lurian's attempt to combine two elements of style and form was 'inspired'

    and cleverly fun. Could it be 'polished and perfected', - that depends. Is he attempting

    to perfect a  form or is he just having fun with an idea and composing something that

    will entertain an audience.

    This is a curious 'dilemna' for composers.

    For me, form is a guideline, but not a 'must do'. I prefer the adage, form follows function. RS
     
    H. S. Teoh said:

    Hi Lurian,

    Not bad for one of your first works!  (Definitely better than my first compositions... though that's not saying much.)

    One thing though: I found the first answer in the exposition unconvincing. You had a tonal answer there, probably per textbook recommendations, but I found that it distorted the theme a little too much this early on in the fugue. In particular, the repeated groups of 3 notes no longer match each other (descending 2nd vs. descending 3rd), which spoils the identity of the theme.  Perhaps a possible workaround might be to also lower the second group to a descending 2nd as well, in order to maintain the similarity to the subject.  Either that, or throw away the textbook recommendation of a tonal answer and find a way to sneak in a real answer without breaking the harmony (but this will be harder to pull off convincingly).

    I liked the various treatments you gave the theme. The humorous ending was nice and fun. Good job, and welcome to the fugue club! ;-)  Hope to hear more from you!

    Fugue in Bb major on an italian drinking song.
    Hello fellow composers! I hope you enjoy listening to my composition. Being one of my first works I would like some feedback on its musicality, is it…
  • Roger, I did not write what I did because I desired adherence to "strict form" (or "strick[sic] form").  I wrote what I did because it sounded "wrong" to my ears.  I don't care for strict form as long as the result "works" (I refer again to my fugue in D, aka "Noises in Two Voices", where I deliberately broke "strict form" and twisted it to my own ends). But when the music leaves something to be desired, theory (or "strict form") is a useful reference point to turn to for guidance as to why that might be the case, and what might be possible solutions. And the ultimate solution may still be something outside the theory, but often the theory is what guides you there.  Without the theory, you might still be left groping in the dark as to how to fix a musical problem in the composition.  Theory is a tool, not an imposed burden.

  • HS, There's the rub... 'because it sounded wrong to my ears'.

    The idea of what works and how that idea manifests itself with the

    different 'levels' of musical appreciation.(basically the audience)

    is somewhat relative. I do agree that theory is a tool, but question the

    significance of 'perfection', in light of the overall piece, to the majority of

    less educated and 'sophisticated' listeners.

    I think it is a given that a composer will hear things differently than

    the average concert goer.    RS

  • Here you go with the score, thank you all for your feedback

    Teoh, it is true that the theme sounds very distorted with a tonal answer, I felt a bit forced to do so because the theme starts on the dominant and that's how textbooks handle it, I will try a real answer and see for myself if it pleases my ear, thanks to Roger too for his feedback, I am not trying to perfect a form but entertain listeners through a comination of two styles that should make people laugh and smile.(considering the nature of the theme)

    Please don't mind the embarassing 6/4 chord at measure(7) x), I really didn't find a way to solve the problem

    Dottore Dottore Fugue.mp3

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