https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksHmT79pC78

 

I was not going to promote my own work, but it is seasonal. Like now or never!  The work was written for a specific concert, which happened a few days before Christmas. I did not record the performance, because it was a little scrappy. The musicians were excellent, but they were practically sightreading.

 

The music needed to have a wide appeal. So it's easy listening.  peace to all. sylvester

 

Please feel free to write real critique, if you want. I'm more interested in negative comments, than positive ones.

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  • I thought this was really good.

     

    I would like to see the score in more detail - could you post it as a pdf here as it's hard to read on youtube.

    Looking at the score some of the phrase marks for strings seemed to be too long - did they adjust the slurs for the performance do you know?

    I also think that the recording we here has string samples of string sections so it's going to sound more lush than the original. Is that the case?

    I was impressed by how you used the viola as a solo instrument rather than just the violin

    Was the score done on Sibelius?

     

     

  • As a string player myself I don't really mind if phrase markings are "too long". I presume you are talking about trying to anticipate how the bowing would work in practice. I think it's probably better for the composer not to worry too much about that but just try and express musical intention in terms of phrasing, because every string player will have their own idea about how best to achieve that. Anyway, that's how I see it.

    Adrian Allan said:

    Looking at the score some of the phrase marks for strings seemed to be too long - did they adjust the slurs for the performance do you know?

     

     

     

    French Noel: Quelle est cette odeur agréable? Piano Quartet
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksHmT79pC78   I was not going to promote my own work, but it is seasonal. Like now or never!  The work was written for…
  • That's an interesting issue

     

    would you say that an orchestral score with over-long phrase marks will end up being re-pencilled in with more suitable phrase marks in order that all the bows move in the same direction?

     

    how common is it to completely revise slurs in a score - or is it somehow being unfaithful to the score - eg in the more extreme case of a violin concerto?

     

    I have being teaching myself violin and viola to get my phrase/slurs more suitable. Am I wasting my time?

    Nigel Keay said:

    As a string player myself I don't really mind if phrase markings are "too long". I presume you are talking about trying to anticipate how the bowing would work in practice. I think it's probably better for the composer not to worry too much about that but just try and express musical intention in terms of phrasing, because every string player will have their own idea about how best to achieve that. Anyway, that's how I see it.

    Adrian Allan said:

    Looking at the score some of the phrase marks for strings seemed to be too long - did they adjust the slurs for the performance do you know?

     

     

     

  • Concerning your first question, generally whatever solution is chosen the section will try and move bows together, it's more a question of bow management: what the section leader thinks is good for the whole section to achieve the result. They won't hesitate to re-pencil in a new bowing while taking into account the musical intention.

    I was trying to find a passage in an orchestration book I have where it says something to the effect that; try and imagine a solution but don't be offended if it gets changed, because it will almost always certainly get changed for the better!

    There are so many variables; your music (being optimistic :) ) may get played in completely different acoustics, that might affect the tempo which in turn may mean a different bowing solution is preferred.

    String players can be creative types, or in any event those are the ones you want playing your music! It's quite natural to search for different options to see if a different bowing yields something more desirable in the music, or allows freer expression. 

    Even in a concerto. In the best case (usually rare cases) you might even get a player that will go beyond your own imagination in the interpretation. Do your best to provide a workable solution, but enjoy discovering different alternatives as presented by experienced players if they have the best intentions of the music at heart.

    It can be quite annoying when a conductor becomes too dogmatic about bowing solutions they anticipated would work, especially if they don't necessarily even play a stringed instrument.

    Learning the violin and viola will certainly put you ahead in communicating your ideas, I'm sure players can sense this sort of thing and ultimately try harder to get the best result for you.

    Agreed that it's an interesting issue, probably worthy of its own topic....

     


    Adrian Allan said:

    That's an interesting issue

     

    would you say that an orchestral score with over-long phrase marks will end up being re-pencilled in with more suitable phrase marks in order that all the bows move in the same direction?

     

    how common is it to completely revise slurs in a score - or is it somehow being unfaithful to the score - eg in the more extreme case of a violin concerto?

     

    I have being teaching myself violin and viola to get my phrase/slurs more suitable. Am I wasting my time?

     

     

     

    French Noel: Quelle est cette odeur agréable? Piano Quartet
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksHmT79pC78   I was not going to promote my own work, but it is seasonal. Like now or never!  The work was written for…
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