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The awkward first post - Defining music

As the title suggests, I find it awkward in situations such as these where it is not about gaining peoples approval but that of putting yourself out there and seeing what can be created by a fusion of differeing ideas and minds. Some of the greatest music has come from collaboration between musicians and composers and is the reason why we have the Lennon and McCartney, Holland Dozier Holland, Jagger and Richards, Chas and Dave legacies. I use pop examples of collaboration but it is true of all music. An issue I have always found that people are all too keen to pigeon hole music as classical (a pet hate term for me) or pop. I think, particularly in the case of musical styles such as country music where in the contemporary field there is a hybrid of country, pop, rock, blues and even some more unconventional popular styles create something which purists hate but becomes the soundtrack to anothers generation it can hinder, not help our art. This could be said of artists from Cage to Lady GaGa. In the contemporary business where there is such a fine line between genres I say why cant we all appreciate music as music and someone crafting ideas from nothing more than a notion, and scrap the term genre. Yes, we have artist or genres we dislike but it is decoding the parts we dislike that should make us dissect and appreciate the craft of what that artist does.

I have no doubt that my style of mixing popular, "classical", world and experimental music together may not be to everyones taste but I would hope that if it may make one person think "maybe I could do that" or "I like what he did there", my work here is done.

Anyway, first blog out of the way. I cant help but feel that this has made me sound like a cantankerous old man but I am truely not, at least, I hope I have not!!!

I hope to engage and create with you all in the future.


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Comment by Paul Buckby on July 2, 2014 at 2:43am

Hello Ondib, an unexpected post but all the same I think that the last two and a half lines (the Larsson quote) of you post sum it up brilliantly. 

Comment by Olmnilnlolm on July 1, 2014 at 9:58pm


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Globalization (or globalisation) is the process of international integration arising from the interchange of world views, products, ideas, and other aspects of culture.[1][2] Advances in transportation and telecommunications infrastructure, including the rise of the telegraph and its posterity the Internet, are major factors in globalization, generating further interdependence of economic and cultural activities.[3]

Though scholars place the origins of globalization in modern times, others trace its history long before the European age of discovery and voyages to the New World. Some even trace the origins to the third millennium BCE.[4][5] In the late 19th century and early 20th century, the connectedness of the world's economies and cultures grew very quickly.

The term globalization has been increasingly used since the mid-1980s and especially since the mid-1990s.[6] In 2000, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) identified four basic aspects of globalization: trade and transactions, capital and investment movements, migration and movement of people, and the dissemination of knowledge.[7] Further, environmental challenges such as climate change, cross-boundary water and air pollution, and over-fishing of the ocean are linked with globalization.[8] Globalizing processes affect and are affected by business and work organization, economics, socio-cultural resources, and the natural environment.


Extent of the Silk Road and Spice trade routes owned by the Ottoman Empire in 1453 spurring exploration

Humans have interacted over long distances for thousands of years. The overland Silk Road that connected Asia, Africa, and Europe is a good example of the transformative power of translocal exchange that existed in the "Old World". Philosophy, religion, language, the arts, and other aspects of culture spread and mixed as nations exchanged products and ideas. In the 15th and 16th centuries, Europeans made important discoveries in their exploration of the oceans, including the start of transatlantic travel to the "New World" of the Americas. Global movement of people, goods, and ideas expanded significantly in the following centuries. Early in the 19th century, the development of new forms of transportation (such as the steamship and railroads) and telecommunications that "compressed" time and space allowed for increasingly rapid rates of global interchange.[9] In the 20th century, road vehicles, intermodal transport, and airlines made transportation even faster. The advent of electronic communications, most notably mobile phones and the Internet, connected billions of people in new ways by the year 2010.

Eastern Telegraph Company 1901 chart of undersea telegraph cabling, an example of modern globalizing technology in the beginning of the 20th century.
Airline personnel from the "Jet set" age, circa 1960.

Etymology and usage[edit]

The term globalization is derived from the word globalize, which refers to the emergence of an international network of social and economic systems.[10] One of the earliest known usages of the term as a noun was in a 1930 publication entitled, Towards New Education, where it denoted a holistic view of human experience in education.[11] A related term, corporate giants, was coined by Charles Taze Russell in 1897[12] to refer to the largely national trusts and other large enterprises of the time. By the 1960s, both terms began to be used as synonyms by economists and other social scientists. Economist Theodore Levitt is widely credited with coining the term in an article entitled "Globalization of Markets", which appeared in the May–June 1983 issue of Harvard Business Review. However, the term 'globalization' was in use well before (at least as early as 1944) and had been used by other scholars as early as 1981.[13] Levitt can be credited with popularizing the term and bringing it into the mainstream business audience in the later half of the 1980s. Since its inception, the concept of globalization has inspired competing definitions and interpretations, with antecedents dating back to the great movements of trade and empire across Asia and the Indian Ocean from the 15th century onwards.[14][15] Due to the complexity of the concept, research projects, articles, and discussions often remain focused on a single aspect of globalization.[1]

Roland Robertson, professor of sociology at University of Aberdeen, an early writer in the field, defined globalization in 1992 as:

...the compression of the world and the intensification of the consciousness of the world as a whole.[16]

Sociologists Martin Albrow and Elizabeth King define globalization as:

...all those processes by which the peoples of the world are incorporated into a single world society.[2]

In The Consequences of Modernity, Anthony Giddens uses the following definition:

Globalization can thus be defined as the intensification of worldwide social relations which link distant localities in such a way that local happenings are shaped by events occurring many miles away and vice versa.[17]

In Global Transformations David Held, et al., study the definition of globalization:

Although in its simplistic sense globalization refers to the widening, deepening and speeding up of global interconnection, such a definition begs further elaboration. ... Globalization can be located on a continuum with the local, national and regional. At one end of the continuum lie social and economic relations and networks which are organized on a local and/or national basis; at the other end lie social and economic relations and networks which crystallize on the wider scale of regional and global interactions. Globalization can refer to those spatial-temporal processes of change which underpin a transformation in the organization of human affairs by linking together and expanding human activity across regions and continents. Without reference to such expansive spatial connections, there can be no clear or coherent formulation of this term. ... A satisfactory definition of globalization must capture each of these elements: extensity (stretching), intensity, velocity and impact.[18]

Swedish journalist Thomas Larsson, in his book The Race to the Top: The Real Story of Globalization, states that globalization:

is the process of world shrinkage, of distances getting shorter, things moving closer. It pertains to the increasing ease with which somebody on one side of the world can interact, to mutual benefit, with somebody on the other side of the world.

Comment by Gav Brown on June 27, 2014 at 12:07am

Welcome to the forum. Stop overthinking it and post some music. Let us have a look at you. We've all been where you are before.

Comment by michael diemer on June 26, 2014 at 11:54am

First of all, welcome to the forum. While I think there is much truth in what you say, I think you may be overestimating just a bit. For example, although the tag "Lennon-McCartney" was placed after countless Beatles' songs, it is now known  that each composer wrote their songs separately. No doubt they influenced each other tremendously. I can see John thinking, on hearing Paul's Love Me Do, "Whoa, he wrote that?," and then getting to work and penning Please Please Me. There is an obvious similarity between the two songs. A good guide to who really wrote the songs is who sings them. Often even the harmonies are by the same singer. As for the mixing of different genres, some like it, some don't. Both reactions are of course valid, for the appreciation of music is totally subjective. But I don't think any genre is completely pure, or ever has been. Examples abound in classical music of the use of folk tunes and idioms. Vaughan Williams practically made his living doing that. (Greensleeves is one of the top requested classical pieces of all time). But there is also something to be said for the purist point of view. Staying within the boundaries of the time and style of the Classical Period, Mozart built on the foundation left by Haydn and others. He did not really add anything, or blend in other styles. But what he did, resulted in his being considered among the very greatest of composers. I think it's inevitable that when you start blending, you lose something. You may say you gain something. Again, it comes down to personal preference. My favorite example of "blending" classical with pop has always been Days Of Future Passed by the Moody Blues. The two styles sit side by side with each other on the album, influencing each other, but never truly mixing. Each retains its purity, yet together they create something very unique and powerful. that works for me. Others however may prefer a true blending of the two styles, and that's fine. the world is big enoough for both purists and blenders.

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