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Please help me understand Beethoven (or counterpoint in general)

Started this discussion. Last reply by Bob Morabito on Sunday. 27 Replies

Hello Dear Forumers. :) Very happy to write my first post.I'm an amateur and like to study works of classical masters to see how certain things are done and among other things I also try to grasp…Continue

 

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Bob Morabito replied to Amol's discussion Please help me understand Beethoven (or counterpoint in general)
"Replies by Daniel Zarb-Cousin :Judging from the music on that soundcloud you posted, I'm assuming you are trying to justify your own decadent writing by saying that tonal music is worn out.  I mean, there is a lot to justify in those drawn…"
Sunday
Daniel Zarb-Cousin replied to Amol's discussion Please help me understand Beethoven (or counterpoint in general)
"Perhaps I could have spared some details when it came to what I think of Bob's work.  It is quite late, and I am quite sick, not that that excuses anything.  Overall though, I do disapprove of what I heard on Bob's soundcloud.…"
Sunday
Mike Hewer replied to Amol's discussion Please help me understand Beethoven (or counterpoint in general)
"Daniel your critique was full of pejorative remarks. A few simple phrases with less contentious adjectives is all thats needed. The beauty about music today is its diversity. Tonality is not dead (neither is it for me, I still feel gravitational…"
Sunday
Daniel Zarb-Cousin replied to Amol's discussion Please help me understand Beethoven (or counterpoint in general)
"On the civility of my comments: I assaulted no character.  If Bob puts his soundcloud at the bottom of his reply, I assumed he was asking for a comment on his music.  I condemn the music because I find it harmful.  Do I want…"
Sunday
Mike Hewer replied to Amol's discussion Please help me understand Beethoven (or counterpoint in general)
"woaaah...hang on Daniel, try and keep it civil. Bobs' music or any music after the 19th C might not be to everyones taste, but your post is condemning a lot of fine music post 19thC that is beautiful and written with integrity and by great…"
Sunday
Daniel Zarb-Cousin replied to Amol's discussion Please help me understand Beethoven (or counterpoint in general)
"The notion that Western tonality is some pair of jeans that just got worn out is ridiculous.  Just like pre-modern art, pre-modern architecture, and certain pre-modern ways of thinking, the Western tonal system was built to be sustainable.…"
Sunday
Steve Chandler replied to Amol's discussion Please help me understand Beethoven (or counterpoint in general)
"This discussion all stems from Fux's Gradus ad Parnassum first written in 1725. It was old fashioned then. In addition it was aimed primarily at composition for voices and in fact most of the rules of counterpoint are intended as rules for…"
Saturday
Patrick Brunner replied to Amol's discussion Please help me understand Beethoven (or counterpoint in general)
"On understanding Beethoven's works, I recommand the mooc "Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas" at Coursera. The author play the sonatas and, using the score, explain how they are built. Very educational."
Friday
Bob Morabito replied to Amol's discussion Please help me understand Beethoven (or counterpoint in general)
"Thanks, and thats more than fine with me. (I had already thanked you for the discussion, (or debate as you put it!!), and ended my involvement with it, as I honestly felt I had said everything that I felt needed to be said, and anything else would…"
Jan 27
H. S. Teoh replied to Amol's discussion Please help me understand Beethoven (or counterpoint in general)
"Then let's just agree to disagree. I don't feel like continuing this debate. In any case, what I said about rejecting the notion of old being irrelevant is my personal stance on the issue, and nobody should feel that it is being imposed…"
Jan 27
Bob Morabito replied to Amol's discussion Please help me understand Beethoven (or counterpoint in general)
"Sorry..I still have problems with your concept of laziness, etc or your examples above. They both presuppose that you actually know whats in a persons mind and heart--for example, if someone is in a tight financial spot, needs the money badly and…"
Jan 27
H. S. Teoh replied to Amol's discussion Please help me understand Beethoven (or counterpoint in general)
"Perhaps "laziness" is the wrong word, or an oversimplification.  There are many reasons to do less than you could have, a common one being you're commissioned to write X within timeframe Y (which is far too short).  Perhaps…"
Jan 27
Bob Morabito replied to Amol's discussion Please help me understand Beethoven (or counterpoint in general)
"Im sure the same can be sad of anything H. S...but Im not sure in either case its simply "taking the lazy way out", or is a matter of laziness. I feel composers make a choice as to what kind of music they'll write, and then it remains…"
Jan 27
H. S. Teoh replied to Amol's discussion Please help me understand Beethoven (or counterpoint in general)
"Bob, when I say that I reject the notion of old being irrelevant, I do not exclude other composers from exploring new sounds and new directions.  In fact, I myself explore new sounds and new directions too, within the context of my chosen style…"
Jan 27
Bob Morabito replied to Amol's discussion Please help me understand Beethoven (or counterpoint in general)
"Its sad that its unfortunately viewed this way-- No one is trying to reinvent the wheel, or dictating the "rules of relevance"... Writing music nowadays in older styles etc thats already been done so excessively, and  done so much…"
Jan 27
H. S. Teoh replied to Amol's discussion Please help me understand Beethoven (or counterpoint in general)
"I see the "rules" as a kind of distilled summary of principles and techniques employed in successful compositions, in the context of an older era of music.  (Though I must state that IMO, older does not mean irrelevant or outdated --…"
Jan 27

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What have you composed for? Or what medium do you work around?
Other
What is your favorite genre or style of music?
classical
Is music your main income source?
No - Not at all.
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Poland
About Me (Must include biographical information about you as a composer):
I enjoy classical music and I try to compose some works myself. I also like to learn and study scores but it's hard sometimes. :)

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