I use Sibelius for the making of the actual score. It has served me well so far. For the actual inputing of the notes I use midi notation software. The reason I use this is because it is easier to change the midi date through graphs etc for tempo and note velocity. I then export it as an XML to sibelius and as a midi file to cubase to add the VST instruments.
For a good score I am using Overture 4 and Garritan PO4 with Aria. Another possibility is Notion, very soon version 3.0 will be available. If you would like to write score and play lyrics in different languages, try Myriad Harmony Assistant with Virtual Singer.
the music that you hear that sounds 'real' are not done from a notation program, but rather with a DAW and massaged, every scrap of nuance accounted for. Notation program = for making parts, one way to write a score and hear *something* back immediately. DAW (Digital Performer, Logic, Cubase, etc) is for recording midi and audio performances and for fine tuning them. And they are used in conjunction with sample libraries and vst instruments, like Vienna Symphonic Library or EWQLSO. Each library has certain nuance to learn to make it sound more realistic. And understanding the ins and outs of programming with your libraries as well as solid fundamental understanding of orchestration is all part of the modern composer process. Personally I use Finale 2010 and Sibelius 6 for notation, but I only use these programs to make parts for live sessions. I write by hand on paper sketches, then sequence in a DAW, then dump to Finale to create a score and extract parts
Does anybody know any more about Notion ? For a cheap program the built in orchestral samples sound really good - London Symphony recorded at Abbey Road. However I have heard that it can't export midi which seems a major drawback.
I heard, that Finale could be used with East-West samples? I heard that it should detect legato, forte, piano and so on and make the switches itself.. Im not sure, but might be worth checking out, if you're regretting your purchase ;)
I myself doesn't really notate the music, rather program it in Nuendo 3's piano roll window and use the automation for modulate the strings (a glide from non-vibrato to vibrato for instance). Used with tons of East-West samples.
The way I see things going is for the better integration of samples with notation programs, eventually maybe even by-passing the need for a separate sequencer program (but the Kontakt player in Sibelius is not all that convincing for a number of reasons). Notion seems to be heading in this direction, which is a very wise move, and I will definitely download a limited demo of Notion 3 when it becomes available.
yea these libraries built to read the articulations and what not come a lot closer to being convincing, and notion probably the most. But from my experience so far, there is still a large amount of finer finesse that only working with the samples in a DAW can provide true realism, depending on the sample libraries used. Which is double your workload of having written and massaged your piece in a notation program then needing to export it to massage it in a daw, when most of your music isnt being performed and recorded live. Ill keep my eyes (and ears!) open for developments with Notion and other software, but I am sticking with my process for now
There is some way to go along this line of development - but to me it seems inevitable.
Even if it means a dual function program where you switch between a screens - a note layout and a sequencer display. Human invention always strives to make life easier and all this exporting and importing is a pain that will eventually be rectified (give it a couple of years perhaps ?) by somebody in the notation programing business.
I hope one day I'll be able to eat these words, but (as Chris says) a DAW is for making your sampled music sound right, a notation programme make it look right! I'm sure sometime soon the 2 will be properly integrated.
I use Logic for quick and dirty, Overture for sentimental reasons and Sibelius for poshness.
A quick word for noteflight.com Online music software. It may have a long way to come, but as a social music notation programme and for teaching and learning music online I predict it will get plenty of kudos in the coming months!
yea it will definitely happen, and notion seems to be closest, but still a few light years away. The main problem is that printed music is meant to be interpreted by a live musician, and a computer is an exact reproduction of the input. DAW lets you massage in ways you couldnt in notation (as each performance of every sample of every sample library will respond differently to that single eighth note, and to each articulation). So there will be a LOT of 'fuzzy logic' to connect the rigid score meant to be [varied levels of] interpreted loosly, and a lot of leeway to notate for humans the precise and often skewed and awkward recording of 'massaged data' in the daw timeline.
Personally I would prefer a shift in the business model of the current trends of teh music industry to allow for a new era of flourishing economy for musicians and orchestras and big bands. Because even if they come up with a notation program that uses samples to sound really really live, it will still be one dimensional and I would take 102930192830192301x over to work with live players who interpret rather than a machine
I don't get the point you are making Ray? Is notation of no significance in communicating information? Is a new online version of notation software of no significance? Is the opportunity to embed one of the main communication tools of music in a discussion forum like this not relevant?