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What are the greatest benefits you get or hope to get from the Composers' Forum?


I'll start:
I get to be around, and learn from others who enjoy composing (this isn’t an activity I get to share with my face-to-face friends). I enjoy hearing the projects people are working on, and when people post about their favorite composers. Hearing about others’ thought processes gives me more confidence in my own. I’ve also gotten great advice for working out problems in a composition. Life events have pulled me away from composing in the past year, and I’m hoping to get inspired to get back to work.


How about you?

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A place to house my music (I know, I haven't much to show so far, but the music is there; it just needs to be rendered better and then I will post it). A place to make new friends; get validation; trade humorous comments (which is a way that some, but not all, people connect). Hear what others are doing (and sometimes I am truly amazed, even inspired). A place to learn how to produce better sound files. And last but not least, to learn how I might improve my technique.

I hope to see helpful commentary on my works and to offer the same in return.

I hope that everyone here will be part of the endeavor to bring us closer to the creation of music that will inspire massive spiritual, psychological and intellectual transformation that will eventually result in the creation of stronger and improved souls, and in the creation of a perfect utopian society, in which beauty, truth and ethical behavior will become the absolute norm; and in which all wars, poverty, disease, disharmony and evil thinking will be done away with.

In short, the realization of "heaven on earth" and universal "God-consciousness" through artistic creation.

So, an optimist

I was wondering who would take first place with a smart-ass reply! Where do I send your prize? ;o)

 
Ondib Olmnilnlolm said:

I hope that everyone here will be part of the endeavor to bring us closer to the creation of music that will inspire massive spiritual, psychological and intellectual transformation that will eventually result in the creation of stronger and improved souls, and in the creation of a perfect utopian society, in which beauty, truth and ethical behavior will become the absolute norm; and in which all wars, poverty, disease, disharmony and evil thinking will be done away with.

In short, the realization of "heaven on earth" and universal "God-consciousness" through artistic creation.

He might have meant it with complete sincerity. I dont know about others, but when I'm writing something and it turns out really well, it's almost like I have tapped into another consciousness.

True... the power of music can be massive. I've also seen it tear people apart.

I agree with you, Bob, about not hearing a bad piece of music here. The ability to appreciate music in that manner is what could lead to world peace. How to develop that type of appreciation in things in all people is the trick...

Adrian, I know what you mean about tapping into another consciousness when it turns out well. Mostly, I just tear my hair out during the composing process, though.

Bob Porter said:

I don't think he's kidding.

{snip)
World peace through music? There have been crazier ideas.

Bob Porter:

"I don't think he was kidding."

No I wasn't kidding. [Though I borrowed the idea from Luigi Nono, and modified it slightly].

Ondib, are you channelling Kristofer in one of his more sarcastic moments? Or do you really mean this? If the latter, I can only say it's a nice idea, but I don't see how music can possibly lead to world peace. In fact, such an approach is unlikely to lead even to good music, as it would have to be watered down so that all the varied cultures of the world could relate to it. I think the most music can do is make one happy for a few fleeting moments. And what makes me happy musically is not necessarily what makes you happy...and so on. Also, the very idea that anything we humans can do will bring about world peace, is just a bit grandiose. I gave up on that a long time ago. It's enough for me to figure out what to do with the limited time I have been given in this world.

Ondib Olmnilnlolm said:

I hope that everyone here will be part of the endeavor to bring us closer to the creation of music that will inspire massive spiritual, psychological and intellectual transformation that will eventually result in the creation of stronger and improved souls, and in the creation of a perfect utopian society, in which beauty, truth and ethical behavior will become the absolute norm; and in which all wars, poverty, disease, disharmony and evil thinking will be done away with.

In short, the realization of "heaven on earth" and universal "God-consciousness" through artistic creation.

I agree with Ondib. People who have reached the level of creative and spirtitual development that allows them to write music, are probablly unlikely to ever want to take a human life.

On the other hand. I have a low opinion of the armed forces. Kids who want to fight or see action ( euphemistically described as defending) have not reached any degree of enlightenment. Take a room full of people. I am willing to bet that the composer is the more rounded individual, intellectually and spirtitually.

It is about time society started to promote the right type of person, instead of inevitably vacuous celebrities or clueless sports people. Throughout history, it has been the artists who have been anti war.

Anybody who fulfils their own creative potential is a better person, a more nourished soul.

This is NOT about listening to music...an activity great in itself, but a few steps down from that of composing.

I think that Bob is right in that we are not the best judge of our own work. Whilst I post very little in terms of works on here (Most of my work is written down on manuscript or is not suited to standard instrumentation or technology) I feel that I can/could get feedback here which is honest, informed and maybe even appreciated by those who I would not otherwise get to meet.

Another benefit is the discovery of new material which could inform your own ideas and maybe give your own works a new lease of life (without plagiarism of course). Having listened to a fair amount of work on here, it has certainly broadened my own horizons.

The tongue in cheek humour is also an added bonus...

Michael said,

 

"Ondib, are you channelling Kristofer in one of his more sarcastic moments?"

 

No.  I am ironic on occasion.  I admit it.  But on this issue, I am being perfectly serious.

 

" …do you really mean this?"

 

 

Yes, I do.

 

“If the latter, I can only say it's a nice idea, but I don't see how music can possibly lead to world peace.”

 

Frankly, I do not see how the music of the great composers— the music with the highest spiritual, intellectual and ethical content— can do anything else BUT lead to world peace.

 

No one can calculate the full positive impact which just one piece, like Beethoven’s Ode to Joy, can have on humanity.  Now that work serves as the anthem of the European Union, a group of nations which were once continuously at each others throats.  In spite of difficulties, war with one another is the furthers thing from the minds of former enemies like France, Germany and Britain.  

 

Simple popular songs like “Give peace a chance” have also had an immense effect on the popular mind, for the good.

 

 

“In fact, such an approach is unlikely to lead even to good music, as it would have to be watered down so that all the varied cultures of the world could relate to it.”

 

The best music is almost universally conducive to peace, justice and spiritual striving; and to the enthronement of the highest thoughts and feelings within the minds and hearts of humankind.  All cultures can relate to it, and each culture can also create its own.

 

“I think the most music can do is make one happy for a few fleeting moments.”

 

The best music makes us happiest by appealing to the best within our natures.

 

 “And what makes me happy musically is not necessarily what makes you happy...and so on.”

 

 

Happiness is universal.  What makes us happy is an atunement of our souls, and a challenge for us to rise above mundane and heartless consciousness, that is all to often our dominant mode of thinking.  Great music will always do that.

 

 

“Also, the very idea that anything we humans can do will bring about world peace, is just a bit grandiose.”

 

If humans cannot make wars less frequent, if humans cannot better prepare humanity for world peace, who can?

 

God and the angels cannot force people to become peaceful against their will.  We will have to do it for ourselves, and the sooner we move in the proper direction, the better.   Music is one of the arts that can aid in taming and “soothing the heart of the savage beast,” that still lives too comfortably inside man.

 

“I gave up on that a long time ago.”

 

 

Why give up?  I say, “Never give up.  Never surrender.”  Let’s not allow the antagonists, the uncultured, and the barbarians win.

 

“It's enough for me to figure out what to do with the limited time I have been given in this world.”

 

Well, that’s certainly fair.

 

But what is the motto of this site?

 

“Composers Unite!”

 

We can figure these things out together.  Let’s not live alone, and cede the Earth to those who unite for the sake of the base motives of commercialism, greed and the lowest common denominator.

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