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On another thread, I mentioned Cymatics and the effects( and affects ) frequencies

may have on various things, and people.

I'm interested in getting some feedback and your thoughts regarding this subject.

All this is in reference to casually researching a theory, and nothing is yet 'carved

in stone' as they say. So please don't shoot the messenger.

If interested, watch this 25 min. video and let me know where you agree or

disagree with the information presented in it.  Thanks,   RS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpbHU4ImdaQ

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Roger,

     Most of the info presented has been know since Pythagoras.  The fact that modern musicians use the various modes of music can't be seen as sinister or demonic.  If there are members of the CF who appear to be diabolical it is not due to the music.  Though I would agree that there has been an emphasis on producing weird, angry, and shocking music especially among avant garde artists.  If combinations of notes, rhythms, and instruments did not produce emotion in the listener than composers would be out of business.   This is video is just drivel to which I say...Well duh.

Law-man A, thanks for chiming in.  I don't think that there needs to be any judgment

necessarily  rendered towards a composer or a musician due to their use of the tools

they have to work with. Objectively, it seems though, that it is fair and reasonable to

say that in fact, certain tones and frequencies do evoke and seem to 'communicate'

different and somewhat unique subjective feelings in our human psyches.

This may already be well established, accepted and consciously used in practice.

(I'm not assuming anything at this point; only looking to define, clarify and re-establish data.)

Or is it more subtle and subliminal? Do the times shape the music, or does the music

shape the times?( another chicken/egg thing)  Is there a genuine science that we can attribute to Cymatics?

I'll take your 'well duh' as a yes vote :>}

When in Zürich, do as the Sardinians do. Perhaps it is in those cryptic sonic frequencies of  Webdriver Torso that the quintessential nature of man's plight, as well as his art, the foremost reflection of his expiatory condition, has been captured and expressed.

straight from the Meditation and Mantra Practices Manual for Modern Day A I

which includes a chapter on cross morphing with humans.  An interesting find KE
Though regardless of the frequency of their efforts via this practice, will they ever

come to grips with and discover the circuitry of the human heart? 

 ps-Did Oz really give something to the Tin Man... that he didn't already have?  
 Kristofer Emerig said:

When in Zürich, do as the Sardinians do. Perhaps it is in those cryptic sonic frequencies of  Webdriver Torso that the quintessential nature of man's plight, as well as his art, the foremost reflection of his expiatory condition, has been captured and expressed.

This is interesting in that I never knew that Pythagoras was into music, though being mathematical it is not surprising.  The last time I thought about the various musical modes was probably back in high school.  This affords an idea for a sequence of compositions, perhaps a symphony where each movement is in a different mode, (probably been done before.)  Out of the inanity, drivel , confusion, and cacophony of this forum coalesces an idea.

One must never overlook the contribution Chubby Checker has made to the degradation of society with his song :Do the Twist.
 
Kristofer Emerig said:

When in Zürich, do as the Sardinians do. Perhaps it is in those cryptic sonic frequencies of  Webdriver Torso that the quintessential nature of man's plight, as well as his art, the foremost reflection of his expiatory condition, has been captured and expressed.

Lawrence, rumor has it that Pythagoras is still also unknown for his break-dancing. : >}

My thought is- when theory seems to dead end and produce little if any artistic

and meaningful progress, then maybe it is time to revert back to and re explore basics.

Some of the 'casual' research I have done seems to indicate that there is more to music

and frequencies than meet the 'ear'. This is what I am exploring. The essence of the language.

ps- I actually played the grooves off of that Chubby Checker 45 as a kid, to the point that my

mother took, and 'lost' it. I did in fact win a fifth grade limbo contest though. Practice  practice   practice .

It is quite ok to make fun of Pythagoras and his quasi mystic approach to music (I do it sometimes too), but we must learn to consider him not as a musician but as a thinker on music.

Regarding music systems, tones, scales, intervals, frequencies and fuck knows what, I still think that we have not as yet approached as a music civilization the freedom and sophistication of classical Greece as expounded in the theoretical works of a practical musician like Aristoxenus, despite our technological advancement, and that is only due to our monotheistic view of the universe as opposed to the polytheistic one of ancient societies. We (at least in the western world) will remain slaves of only one tuning system: Long leave equal temperament-our ears are pre-fucked!

 

I believe that the only hope for human culture to progress, including music, is still the approach of historical materialism as proposed by Marx and Engels. A lot of European composers show that very clearly in the 20th century and tried to do something about it, but our friends in the US replied to us only with minimalism, Steve Reich, (or Philip Glass for more “demanding” ears) and all the HarryPotterJohnWiliamsStarWarsCloseEncountersFuckingholywoodEpicDistortionFuckingLnguageContextMeaningXpuskuRusskiItsAllGreekToYou-version of global culture we have today-I don’t.

But if you are interested in music… know your Aristoxenus even before you know your Bach.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristoxenus

True, Arixostenus (a Pythagorean) transmitted the basics of ancient Geek atomic theory, which was based on the intervals of fifth and octave forming the basic molecular structure of the universe.

For detailed analysis and extrapolation of Arixostenus' work, see Mitzi deWhitt's excellent series of books on this, especially the first in the series, "Aristoxenus' Ghost."

The Greek atomic theory (the concept that the universe consists of atoms, i.e. Indivisible parts) belongs to Democritus, not to Aristoxenus, who incidentally was not a Pythagorean but an 250  years later independent philosopher, pupil of Aristotle. The concept of Democritus is not small fit of scientific speculation/correct discovery for 5th century BC.

I think you have confused the bricks with the pricks somehow there.



John Summers said:

True, Arixostenus (a Pythagorean) transmitted the basics of ancient Geek atomic theory, which was based on the intervals of fifth and octave forming the basic molecular structure of the universe.

For detailed analysis and extrapolation of Arixostenus' work, see Mitzi deWhitt's excellent series of books on this, especially the first in the series, "Aristoxenus' Ghost."

confused the bricks with the pricks

Lol Socrates.

What an achievement to surmise the very small at that time.

Roger,

To what dead artistic ends are you referring ? (he asks knowing the answer). Going back to basics is surely regressive and unnecessary.

Some of the greatest composers in the 20thC had to grapple with a language that was spent and becoming increasingly irrelevant. They emancipated music from a tonal cage that was barely holding back the  inevitability of dissonance and in doing so, gave it a new lease of life, a new way to write music. Once rhythm was also freed from the barline, artistic expression became almost unbounded.

There is no dead end in music at least, not as far as I can discern. In fact it is quite the opposite for me. I suspect however that your "research" will do nothing but cage music up again or package it into neat and pretty tunes that although we all love them, is not the way forward.

Socrates, thank you for the link and your perspective... and John as well.

I will explore that.

Mike, it may well prove that my interest and pursuit will 'dead end' itself.

I am not trying to suggest that we cage(pun) creativity or experimentation.

Cymatics has simply opened a new window(for me) and I am attempting to incorporate

 the info and an understanding.

It's interesting that your emancipation of music seems to rival the sexual revolution

as a cultural parallel. Is there also a parallel with cultural dissonance in our world today?

I'm just asking questions, from my admittedly finite and limited present perspective.

By 'heart' I am not necessarily referring to just the core of musical theory(s) but also to

the effects and affects on the human psyche.

The 'core' to me, is frequencies. We only hear a small range of them. We can also feel them

at certain levels. The way forward, as you remarked though, is an underlying point of interest also;

not to regress or repeat the past, but to better understand the innate correlations and subliminal

influences, if any do exist, between them.

ps- still, this is a casual pursuit (no book coming out next year) lol     thanks for offering your pov    RS

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