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It was called Peter Siedlaczek's Advanced Orchestra and in it's day, it was pretty impressive and I used it quite often when I was going for orchestral "realism". Doesn't hold to todays modern high-end sample libraries but over all - not too shabby!

I was going through my iTunes library and started listening to some of my older compositions and this one kind of stuck out so I thought I'd share. 

The piece is from around 2002 or 3 if memory serves. It's called "Insect Wars". I was using my trusty EMU E-SYNTH Sampler back in those days! Ahh... the good old days :-)

Insect Wars

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Hi Daniel,

I would suggest renaming the title. I thought you were just asking a question though it was posted in the critique forum. Replies are hard to come by as it is :)

I have only recently been looking at larger compos. It seems you've been in the game for a long time. I was really impressed with the realism you were able to garner from these older sound modules and libraries. I don't know, I don't see how it isn't still a competitive track. Why do you think it doesn't hold up? It sounds like you really  know what you're doing.

I remember once on my old DAW forum they had a competition to mix files and make it as realistic as possible. Some of the guys with high end libraries didn't sound as good as a few who used the basic Kontakt libraries. It was a blind listening kind of thing so no one knew who had what. At the end some swore that the better mixes used high end samples. As it turns out, they didn't.

Here's a well known work I mixed from a midi with a few old Kirk Hunter and mostly Kontakt. Maybe my standards are just too low, but I think it sounds pretty realistic. https://soundcloud.com/starise/adagio-in-g-minor

I dusted off my old Korg M-1 software synth and could hear believable tracks from basic multis. I once owned the hardware version of it. Probably can't find a better made for movie synth than that one IMHO. You can get that program for beans compared to a large sample library. The really cool thing is it has multis with assigned midi channels build in. All you need is a midi keyboard that can change channels.

Hey I checked out that link. Amazing what was possible with those samples and with the proper amount massaging.. Nice work!

What I mean by “doesn’t hold up” is when I compare it directly with the richness of these new modern libraries that are 24bit, multi mic positions, well thought out keyswitch programs etc. I don’t feel I need to use as many MIDI programming “tricks” these days as I did back then. It still requires a rediculous amount of programming finesse but just not quite as much.

Thanks for sharing!

Daniel, Thanks. I don't think my track sounded as well mixed as your track though.  I am still a bit new to the serious end of Kontakt scripting. My Kirk Hunter Diamond set has pretty extensive scripting I just don't fully know how to use it all. I would like a midi controller setup that ties directly into it to control scripting on the fly.  I have the strings and stuff in Komplete. I managed to pick up a nice streamlined Hyperion strings Library that has a lot of function for the price and a few 8dio things on sale. 

I guess I haven't ventured into serious sample library territory because my direction was to use them as complementary to other things. I've been creeping on another forum and those guys are the real deal in terms of doing cinematic for a living. I picked up some info there and might eventually invest in a more serious package. I do hear a difference in surround effect and yeah, 24 bit definitely has more headroom. I can hear those differences on serious cinematic mixes. A lot depends on the mixer too. Do you have any recent material you've done? Would be cool to hear what you're doing and using for libs now.

This sounds good to me Daniel and I like the composition as well.  I've been composing quite a while but trying to get a good VI sound is a challenge and I need to continue working on that.  I'm using the East West composer cloud with mixed results but I hope to post examples soon.

I've heard good sounds from VSL and Spitfire, are those examples of the high end libraries you mentioned? I'm also curious as to what notation software you are using?

Thanks for posting this.

Hi Timothy. As far as recent material I can share with you -  my first post to this forum a few months ago has a fairly recent piece called Opus #1
 
Timothy Smith said:

Daniel, Thanks. I don't think my track sounded as well mixed as your track though.  I am still a bit new to the serious end of Kontakt scripting. My Kirk Hunter Diamond set has pretty extensive scripting I just don't fully know how to use it all. I would like a midi controller setup that ties directly into it to control scripting on the fly.  I have the strings and stuff in Komplete. I managed to pick up a nice streamlined Hyperion strings Library that has a lot of function for the price and a few 8dio things on sale. 

I guess I haven't ventured into serious sample library territory because my direction was to use them as complementary to other things. I've been creeping on another forum and those guys are the real deal in terms of doing cinematic for a living. I picked up some info there and might eventually invest in a more serious package. I do hear a difference in surround effect and yeah, 24 bit definitely has more headroom. I can hear those differences on serious cinematic mixes. A lot depends on the mixer too. Do you have any recent material you've done? Would be cool to hear what you're doing and using for libs now.

I use East West stuff almost exclusively these days. Namely, Quantum Leap Symphonic Orchestra Platinum Plus, RA and Storm Drum 1 & 2. I've recently been thinking of upgrading though and I'm looking at (Hollywood Orchestra Diamond + Solo Instruments) also by East West, which can be had for dirt cheep right now! I see a lot of folks around here are using Spitfire. I'm going to check that one out as well as I've never heard of it before. I'm a long time Logic user (18 years) so everything I've composed within that time frame is with using that. I just recently started learning the notation side of it which is very extensive and has quite a steep learning curve. I'm not classically trained and compose by ear so for me, notation is always a challenge... I really love it though! :-)


Ingo Lee said:

This sounds good to me Daniel and I like the composition as well.  I've been composing quite a while but trying to get a good VI sound is a challenge and I need to continue working on that.  I'm using the East West composer cloud with mixed results but I hope to post examples soon.

I've heard good sounds from VSL and Spitfire, are those examples of the high end libraries you mentioned? I'm also curious as to what notation software you are using?

Thanks for posting this.

 Daniel,

Really amazing work! 

Those are some nice libraries..I like what you've done with them! NIce work!

FYI , there's  a sale going on right now at NI for Orchestra Tools up to 63% off. Ark 1 and 2 look particularly tasty mainly because they aren't  too wet in terms of reverb, they are very dynamic, lots of mic positions.

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/specials/komplete/orchestral-...

I probably won't be dropping any coin on these right now. I can't justify it personally. These are good prices for this level of lib though for sure. Probably more "cinematic" than orchestral. 

For the smaller guy like me, it's hard to go wrong with this little library for basic work. Beats the pants off of basic notation compo libraries.I have this one.

https://soundiron.com/products/hyperion-strings-micro

This looks like a really nice library as well.For 149.00 on sale it's almost a no brainer for basic composition work.Not sure though if My KHD doesn't cover most of this.

https://sonicscores.com/amadeus/

This very intense piece is amazing with a nice sound production although its age.

It activates many emotions on its way. Really impressive to keep it so intense but still interesting over a relatively long time.

Well done.

Kjell

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