Question about string articulation use.

[Niranjan Raghu]

Hello everyone!

I listen to songs, and I try to breakdown the techniques and articulations there, and try to apply that to my tracks, but in that, I found a particular one that I don't know.

In these tracks, at the indicated time:

Ivan Torrent - The Blue Factor at about 00:29. The fading in string section. 

Two Steps From Hell - Spirit of Champions at 00:16. 

I'd be very grateful if someone could explain what exactly it is: Is it a legato, marcato or any of the staccato, and if so, how to achieve the same thing. 

[Niranjan Raghu]

actually, both of them aren't mine... and I have no track in progress, where I would like to use them. It is purely a question...

Fredrick zinos said:

Where is the track?

[michael diemer]

If you can post a link to these songs, then we can have a listen and  comment on them.

[Niranjan Raghu]

Well I have the youtube links, so I'll post them here if that's alright:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rm9mIneSVA - Spirit of champions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qxZQz7nATU&index=14&list=U... - The Blue Factor

[Niranjan Raghu]

That helps! Now I know what it is :) I use FL Studio. Maybe this is out of topic in this forum, but if someone could elaborate on how exactly to achieve this while using Kontakt, it would be epic :) 

Fredrick zinos said:

Sounds like detache.

[Greg Brus]

Any kind of two-way staccato will do. Or marcato, or anything, as long as the notes are relatively short and (more importantly) round robin.

And you generally achieve this by having appropiate samples.

[Niranjan Raghu]

Alright I'll go with that. :) Thank you all!

[Anand]

Interesting, in another forum on sample libraries , soundsonline, actually, I had posted how hard it is to get proper detache strings.

Btw in two steps in hell, the starting is mostly staccato but detache is used more after 00:42

There is no sample library out there that I know can do this realistically. They only have staccato Marcato, spiccato, runs , Penderecki etc., etc, but this most simple string articulation is not there.

[Alexey Arkhipenko]

Hi, Anand!

This sounds interesting. Can you give the link?

What exactly do you mean by detache in comparison to Sustained and Marcato notes?

What do you think of using separate Sustained notes in succession?

Anand said:

Interesting, in another forum on sample libraries , soundsonline, actually, I had posted how hard it is to get proper detache strings.

Btw in two steps in hell, the starting is mostly staccato but detache is used more after 00:42

There is no sample library out there that I know can do this realistically. They only have staccato Marcato, spiccato, runs , Penderecki etc., etc, but this most simple string articulation is not there.

[Anand]

Hi,

As far as I understand detache is alternate bowing without the bow leaving the string. So this is neither legato nor is it an attack note like staccato or marcato...but. just simple alternate bowing without an accent.

There are plenty of examples in classical music. For example, the violins after about 1:07 in this piece are doing detache on a single note.

http://youtu.be/i2uYb6bMKyI

Let me know if this makes sense or if you have other ideas.

It is tough to get this with separate sustained notes since the attack will be wrong, and we would ideally need alternate bowing samples.
East west Hollywood strings has something called measured tremolo which can achieve this. But it is still limited to one note.

Anand

[Alexey Arkhipenko]

Anand, thaks for your reply. I am planning to work with Hollywood Strings this year. I will check what measured tremolo can do.

As for this alternate bowing for solo string, I liked the way it is done in Embertone Friedlander Violin with "bow legato". They have bow, glissando and slur legato and you can choose legato type. As for the group samples, I think "marcato UpDown" is the simplest solution. It can have 2, 4, 6 or more round robin variations. Maybe, it will have more air between bow strokes, but I believe this can be treated by decreasing space between notes (need to check).

BTW, did you see Detache RR articulation in Hollywood Strings? http://www.soundsonline-forums.com/docs/Hollywood-Strings_Articulat...

[Niranjan Raghu]

That was very insightful! Unless I have a person playing for me, I shall keep what you said in mind! :) 

The Lonely Goat said:

And this is why most composers for media write to suit the libraries they have rather than try to make the virtual instrument do something it can't.

[Anand]

Never knew about embertone violins, will check them out. Thanks.



Alch said:

Anand, thaks for your reply. I am planning to work with Hollywood Strings this year. I will check what measured tremolo can do.

As for this alternate bowing for solo string, I liked the way it is done in Embertone Friedlander Violin with "bow legato". They have bow, glissando and slur legato and you can choose legato type. As for the group samples, I think "marcato UpDown" is the simplest solution. It can have 2, 4, 6 or more round robin variations. Maybe, it will have more air between bow strokes, but I believe this can be treated by decreasing space between notes (need to check).

BTW, did you see Detache RR articulation in Hollywood Strings? http://www.soundsonline-forums.com/docs/Hollywood-Strings_Articulat...