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Hi This my another music, I Tried submit this track to 3-4 epic channel music at youtube...

One channel rejected with reason "doesn't meet our quality criteria" and the other didnt give a respons until now..

I compare my music with music from that channel, i think my production is not quiet good enough

Btw have any suggest, what must i improve to have a better quality of my music and production?

Thanks

Galih

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Hi Galih, the production values on this sound good to me, not sure why you were rejected. Maybe they just didn't like the music?

Gav

The recording seems to sound a little bit unclear to me, (on headphones), but not a reason at all IMO for it to be rejected.

The music itself sounds very good, and it  has all the right moves for a piece in this genre...

Very nice job Galih!

My only question would be with the final cadence..perhaps thats what bothered them?

(Also a very outside possibility might be the overuse of this particular progression, and gestures, by many epic pieces?)

Thanks for sharing--I enjoyed this very much!

Bob https://soundcloud.com/bob-morabito

 

Hey Galith,

First I'd like to say that I found this piece to be an enjoyable listen. It's very punchy and overall has that epic music vibe. As far of production, I found some details that could be a little polished.

For starters, I had the feeling that this mix is all in the same space (debt and not panning). Did you adjust the reverb sends in your orchestra so percussion, horns and other sections have a bit more reverb and first strings and cellos less reverb? There are good orchestra diagrams on google to see exactly how wide and deep the whole orchestra goes.

Also, I felt that some of the strings and percussions had a little machine gun effect. I don't know which library you've used, but in my library (east-west hollywood) there's a repetition mode so that each note sounds a little different. It's not much, but it really helps.

Finally I felt that the low end part of the mix was a little lacking. I don't know if you've used the double basses or any synth to add content to that region?

As for the good parts, the harmony and melody are spot on. Everything sounds epic for that portion of the track. This was also a very punchy song which is good for epic music.

Hi Galih, I think your music is well written and appropriate to the "epic" genre.  I personally would prefer to hear something new and different but that's your choice. 

Since you have chosen a familiar style you need an "epic" sound to go with it.  That involves certain production techniques that are common to this genre.  Why don't you list your current set-up for us?  What libraries are you using, what is your DAW, what plugins and eq settings are you using?  Are you mastering your track? Maybe we can make some suggestions or at least point you to some helpful sources.  Check out this video for starters.

After Bob Morabito very kindly posted his Epic Music guide I grew fascinated and started absorbing as much of this genre - new to me! - as I could. Based on this and my own knowledge I would suggest your music simply sounds too much like other composers in the field. The chords for example are very common indeed.

@Gav Brown  I dont know, but after i compare with other music at some epic music channel, i think my track not quite good enough at production and (maybe) the arranging.. but I will to make a better track again later.. Thanks

@Bob Morabito Maybe, but im not sure if thats the reason, cause if you listen other "hiend" epic music, my track sounded a bit weak at sound production, and im a new learning at mixing mastering.. btw this track i compose about a year ago (sep 2017) and mixing and mastering recently... thanks

@Kevin Arsenault I panning all track using stereo imager and not touch a panning level at mixer (maybe its mistake).. i use one reverb at send fx channel, but im not paying attention about how much reverb for every section

 "machine gun effect" i think its cause my velocity set are to flat (at high level), next i will set velocity of the instrument more variation

I felt too, at low end i use low string (double bass), and im not EQing very well

btw i want ask, how you treat your track to get sound wider? i think my track not wide enough.. iwant to wide at mastering, but the correlation meter will to left side if i add plugin to wide my sound

Thanks for your suggest, its help

@Inggo_lee I think if i post all vst, plugin and setting for this track, it will be very long thread hahaha.. and i dont really remember what im doing with that (especially vst set) cause i make this track about a year ago.. 

for mixing i just using standard tools like Eq, Compressor, stereo imager and reverb.. 

Thanks for youtube suggest, i will check it.. btw i like to watch other composer like Daniel James, Nick murray, and alex moukala at youtube

@Charles Holt yeah, maybe its very common indeed.. I have some track which has different thing than other composer (like epic music but combine with ethnic instrument from my country) but i think im not release or production in the near future until my production skill good enough.. I make this track to train my production skill.. thanks

Hi Galih,

The music and production quality are quite nice. Good job! I dont think they would have rejected the piece because of that. A few things to consider

- the ostinato pattern stays steady almost throughout the song and that can make it feel a bit cliche. Its a common problem i encounter in my own compositions because its hard to break away from the 'epic' feel but thats a challenge worth taking on. There are many ways you can think off to break away from it and create variations of the same pattern using different instruments, hi/low, modify the pattern slightly, stops/trading patterns between diff groups in an orchestra and so on

- Having a longer 'bridge' or softer section that plays on the core theme but softer and more choral and maybe add a bit of tension in there and resolve it back into the epic ness could help enhance the ending - I see 'epic' music as uplifting and aspirational music - something that makes me feel good and confident. So presenting a low and then taking me high works. Im sure you have listened to many great movie scores and they all employ this technique. you can break them down as u listen to understand the diff parts in it. 

- I expected a big bad battle climactic ending but it didnt happen :) -you dont have to add one, its your tune and im sure u intended to end it this way but as I heard the tune I felt that a build up could have given it a fitting end. Think of your song as a little story, something you want to tell the listener - going by the little graphic u have, i would imagine that winged creature either descending and creating chaos and is overcome in the end or is rising from the city to save it - It helps me always to think of every song as a little story with a beginning, emotional high/lows to bring out sub plots and different view points on the main theme, and an ending (can be sad or happy or epic). 

Again, the piece itself is very good. I know how hard it is to create such pieces and people will reject it easily after one listen but dont give up. Keep at it, its a worthy journey and you certain have the skill set!

Hope this helps. 

Vn

I Tried submit this track to 3-4 epic channel music at youtube...

One channel rejected with reason "doesn't meet our quality criteria" and the other didnt give a respons until now..

Perhaps it might help if we were able to visit the site(s)--please provide links, thanks!-- that rejected your music and maybe get a better idea why..?

Thanks Bob https://soundcloud.com/bob-morabito

For the panning, I don't feel it needs more panning, but more depth. By controlling the reverb send of each section you can achieve this dept. Ex:

Violins and cello -> -8db reverb send

2nd violins and violas -> -6db reverb send

Horns -> -5db reverb

Percussions -> -3 to -4db reverb send.

That way you hear the mix left and right and also close to far.

As for the eq, I'm not sure exactly what are the tracks that you're using for the low end, but a good approach is level first than eq if level alone cannot correct or your track is battling other frequencies. A good trick I also like to use is cut the low end with a high pass filter for every track that doesn't need it. Ex: Violins do not need below 100hz if the cellos and double bass are already active in that area.

Galih Setiawan said:

@Gav Brown  I dont know, but after i compare with other music at some epic music channel, i think my track not quite good enough at production and (maybe) the arranging.. but I will to make a better track again later.. Thanks

@Bob Morabito Maybe, but im not sure if thats the reason, cause if you listen other "hiend" epic music, my track sounded a bit weak at sound production, and im a new learning at mixing mastering.. btw this track i compose about a year ago (sep 2017) and mixing and mastering recently... thanks

@Kevin Arsenault I panning all track using stereo imager and not touch a panning level at mixer (maybe its mistake).. i use one reverb at send fx channel, but im not paying attention about how much reverb for every section

 "machine gun effect" i think its cause my velocity set are to flat (at high level), next i will set velocity of the instrument more variation

I felt too, at low end i use low string (double bass), and im not EQing very well

btw i want ask, how you treat your track to get sound wider? i think my track not wide enough.. iwant to wide at mastering, but the correlation meter will to left side if i add plugin to wide my sound

Thanks for your suggest, its help

@Inggo_lee I think if i post all vst, plugin and setting for this track, it will be very long thread hahaha.. and i dont really remember what im doing with that (especially vst set) cause i make this track about a year ago.. 

for mixing i just using standard tools like Eq, Compressor, stereo imager and reverb.. 

Thanks for youtube suggest, i will check it.. btw i like to watch other composer like Daniel James, Nick murray, and alex moukala at youtube

@Charles Holt yeah, maybe its very common indeed.. I have some track which has different thing than other composer (like epic music but combine with ethnic instrument from my country) but i think im not release or production in the near future until my production skill good enough.. I make this track to train my production skill.. thanks

Along these lines of front(close)/back (far) placement in a mix, this free plugin, Proximity has been mentioned:

https://www.tokyodawn.net/proximity/

Thanks Bob https://soundcloud.com/bob-morabito

@Vn Thanks for your advice, I will keep trying to make a some track again next time :)

@Bob_Morabito I submit to promote my track to some epic music channel at youtube like, Epic music vn, epic music world, hdsoundi, the prime cronus, etc

@Kevin Arsenault  I never pay attention controling depth from send reverb.. thanks for advice, i will more pay attention about this in the next track.. thanks 

btw sorry for late reply.. i must work for some short movie scoring (Maybe i will share it next time) thanks

Galih,

Thanks for posting this. I like it.

It's hard to say too much without knowing why it why written. Was there a story behind it? What were you trying to say? Are there two parts for a reason? Or is it just a piece of music that is the way it is? Actually it's all good. You wrote it an that's that. I'm not sure you have to change anything. 

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