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Dear Everybody!

My name is László Leber. I'm new to this forum. I'm an amateur pianist/composer.

I would like to show you my brand new piece, "Miles".


This is my first symphonic piece, which was composed for piano, orchestra, drum and winds, but also contains solo piano parts.

The music is inspired by Balázs Havasi, when I was at his concert a week ago. 

Miles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbT_bcgxeqc

Until now I composed music based on improvisation themes and this is the first time that I have composed a music in other way.

I'm interested in your opinion, because I think this is my new direction to compose music like this. 

I would like to show you some of my prevoius works, so you can compare to my previous style:

Soaring time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtMnn6YGUk8

Leaf on the lake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbhh4DGOvh0

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Hi Laszlo

I've listened to your Miles piece. I don't mean to split hairs or to sound be overly pedantic, but given that it's very short I wouldn't descibe it as being partucularly symphonic per se in character but you are going in the right direction.

For me the staccato drum effect which first appears about 42s in doesn't fit particularly well as is. I also thought that you could have doubled the piano chords begining at 12s in with a full blown orchestral hit for a bit of heightened drama. To me the piano on its own sounds a bit thin for the effect you are trying to achieve at this point - but that's just my personal opinion, others may differ. 

It would also be helpfull and interesting if you could give us, if possible, a score. Which orchestral libraries did you use? It's always interesting (for me at least) to hear how other composers put their mock-ups together. 

I liked Miles - nicely concieved and put together and a good starting point in your symphonic journey.

Thanks, Colin

Hello Colin!

Thank you for your response! Unfortunately there isn't any score yet, because I have composed the piece in digital way with Cubase composer application and the score itself is built up by MIDI tracks. This is in a Cubase project currently.

I will make a transcription in the next few weeks with Finale 2011. I will upload the score here if it's ready.

I'm very happy to hear that you liked it and this is a very big praise for me.

Libraries that I used: addictive keys (Steinway samples), addictive drums, native instruments (woodwind assemblies)

Another thing that I will try is to export the midi from cubase and import in finale. It could be the same because it's standard score.

Hi Laszlo

Do you find that you have some tidying up of the score to do after the import into Finale? I tend to complete my projects to finished draft stage at least in Dorico and then export them as MusicXML files for importing into Cubase for mixing & etc.

I've found that on balance exporting my midi files from Cubase as MusicXML files and them importing the xml files into Dorico gives me a cleaner and more accurate score with only minor tidying up to do - when I've tried to directly import midis into Dorico it can look like a real dogs dinner. Finale has been around much longer than Dorico so it may be beter at rendering midi as notation.

Colin

Hi Colin!

I have tried the MusicXML export / import and the MIDI open function as well just now. The result is not clear at the moment, so I will have to work on it to make the score readable for a musician! :)

I didn't enjoy it, and for that I am sorry, but not sorry. I do not discriminate what my ears do and do not like. The drums sounded mundane- as if a random sample at a close BPM to your target were added to fit a potentially lacking piano track, which was loosely improvised and quantized and under developed. Or the drums were quickly penciled in. The most distracting was the constant poor quality cymbal hit sample. 

The piece overall lacked a direction or development. It didn't take me on a journey, it didn't tell a story. My music these days is highly experimental and avant garde. But at my core, I did know what I was doing at a time. Does this criticism anger or hurt you? Good, let it fuel you to impress your audience ever further by truly crashing through the walls of your creative limits. Don't be constrained by what everyone else has done, it doesn't need to sound ANY certain way.  

Thank you for your response DoubleE. I can agree with your statements, that there is no direction in this piece etc, it was my first try to write a multi instrumental piece. This "symphonic" piece was just a result of the affection of the concert where I was last time.

As you said, that the drum doesn't sounds well I don't know what is the reason because it is one of the best library out there "Addictive drum". If you know it I would be grateful if you can help me to set it properly.

There weren't any cymbal in the piece. In the right hand of the piano, you should jump octaves very fast and in the higher octave ,you can hear the piano's two notes.

By the way I wanted this piece to be very modern ( a little bit mechanic). Most of the piece is made with cubase and not live playing. Only the middle section is played by me. 

Have you checked my previous works which I mentioned in my first post? "Soaring time" or "Leaf on the Lake"? My solo romantic piano pieces represent better my style. 



The Double E said:

I didn't enjoy it, and for that I am sorry, but not sorry. I do not discriminate what my ears do and do not like. The drums sounded mundane- as if a random sample at a close BPM to your target were added to fit a potentially lacking piano track, which was loosely improvised and quantized and under developed. Or the drums were quickly penciled in. The most distracting was the constant poor quality cymbal hit sample. 

The piece overall lacked a direction or development. It didn't take me on a journey, it didn't tell a story. My music these days is highly experimental and avant garde. But at my core, I did know what I was doing at a time. Does this criticism anger or hurt you? Good, let it fuel you to impress your audience ever further by truly crashing through the walls of your creative limits. Don't be constrained by what everyone else has done, it doesn't need to sound ANY certain way.  

Hey Leber

Don't beat yourself up too much. The worth of musical ideas can't always be judged by their implementation in a DAW. Not all music needs a 'direction'. A lot of the 'modern'or microtonal stuff has no direction as far as I can tell but that's not to say that the composer has no vision for it or that the listener can't enjoy it.

Keep on writing.

Cheers, CD

Hi Colin!

Thank you, I will keep writing of course :)

I think the same, that the music is relative. Nowadays you can find a very wide repertoire, however, every constructive critics help to write better music. Of course, you can't meet everyone's expectations.

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