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Hi all,

when small streams meet aims at depicting a meeting of two different minds interacting turbulently first but successively turns into a harmonic and fruitful relation, illustrated by the waltz occurring in the end. Yes, me and my wife.

Feel free to comment and also to answer the entitled question.

https://soundcloud.com/user-892939153/when-small-streams-meet

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Hi Kjell, first off this is a very pleasant piece with a strong main theme that recurs and unites your overall structure nicely.  I'm really not the best one to comment on sonatas since I just posted one here that is pretty non-standard, but if you have any desire to call your piece a sonata I say just do it.

Typically sonatas start with an allegro movement in sonata form which is pretty much A-B-A with a lot of subtleties that I won't try to explain.  The A section states some themes, B section elaborates on the themes and then we repeat the main theme set with some extra window dressing and maybe a coda to close it out. The section divisions are usually fairly obvious.

I like to think of it the way small jazz ensembles do it, you start with an obvious melody, then you improvise some solos that relate to the main theme, then you repeat the main theme to end it.  All kinds of room for creativity with this form though so make it your own!.

Thank you Ingo for your reply.

I usually think of sonatas as Beethoven's symphonies which I believe have influenced the formation of jazz and pop music. One essential ingredient for me, which to a large extent forms my composing, is that extreme contrast between rhythmic and cantabile themes, which e.g. we hear in his 5th. It also appears in rap music.

All the best,

Kjell

Call it what you like it may not be a traditional sonata but it has many beautiful moments. I take it you are still working on it? Maybe the left hand could do with more variation?

Actually, this is a revised version avoiding any repetition. There is now a monotonic accompaniment only in the first minute. However I cannot compose piano pieces more advanced than what I can play so therefore it might sound a bit simple. I usually use the piano score as a starting point for orchestration. Here is the orchestral result for this piece:

https://soundcloud.com/user-892939153/come-into-being-orchestral-st...

Cheers,

Kjell

Stanley King said:

Call it what you like it may not be a traditional sonata but it has many beautiful moments. I take it you are still working on it? Maybe the left hand could do with more variation?

Hey there Kjell, My first impression and intuitive response to a name or 'category' for this piece is

Tango Fantastique. I liked the passion in the expression and thought the left hand maintained a steady

underlying 'balance' of flow. Sonata seems just a bit boring for this opus.  RS

Great to hear that, Roger. Thank you very much for a really interesting name, feels inspiring.

Cheers,

Kjell

roger stancill said:

Hey there Kjell, My first impression and intuitive response to a name or 'category' for this piece is

Tango Fantastique. I liked the passion in the expression and thought the left hand maintained a steady

underlying 'balance' of flow. Sonata seems just a bit boring for this opus.  RS

Hi Kjell, i really enjoyed that piece. I'm definitely not the best choice for sonatas, but i like it very much. I can feel the expression that you want to reach in this piece. So the only thing that i can say, that you should keep up your nice work :).

Thank you very much Alexander, your reply means a lot and sure I will do my best.

Cheers,

Kjell

Alexander Arnswald said:

Hi Kjell, i really enjoyed that piece. I'm definitely not the best choice for sonatas, but i like it very much. I can feel the expression that you want to reach in this piece. So the only thing that i can say, that you should keep up your nice work :).

This succeeded in creating a mood, a response in me, which is a good sign. I agree with the lady on Soundcloud, this is very good for a first piano piece. Is it a sonata? Who cares? It creates and sustains a mood very effectively. I wouldn't bother worrying about what form it has, instead focus on the effect it has on the listener. Who is, first of all, you. how does it make you feel? what is it expressing? To some extent you have already answered that with your introduction. Personally, I would rather not have such explicit descriptions, it locks the listener too much into a certain mind frame. Listeners often ignore that stuff anyway and make it mean what they want it to mean. "Mood For a Rainy Day" would work better for me. "Or song without words," although that has become a cliche. But the main thing is, it's good. It works, and that's really all that matters.

Thanks Michael, that was some good points you wrote. I am glad you liked it. Emotions are hard of course to describe, better let the music talk. But sometimes the intention of the composers is to create a certain atmosphere and she might then be interested in feedback in relation to that intention. I wrote once a work called Joyful Waltz. Since it was written in minor key a lot of people reacted since a minor key can not be joyful, as they thought. Now I renamed it to Midsummer Waltz, although I still think it is joyful. 

Cheers,

Kjell 

michael diemer said:

This succeeded in creating a mood, a response in me, which is a good sign. I agree with the lady on Soundcloud, this is very good for a first piano piece. Is it a sonata? Who cares? It creates and sustains a mood very effectively. I wouldn't bother worrying about what form it has, instead focus on the effect it has on the listener. Who is, first of all, you. how does it make you feel? what is it expressing? To some extent you have already answered that with your introduction. Personally, I would rather not have such explicit descriptions, it locks the listener too much into a certain mind frame. Listeners often ignore that stuff anyway and make it mean what they want it to mean. "Mood For a Rainy Day" would work better for me. "Or song without words," although that has become a cliche. But the main thing is, it's good. It works, and that's really all that matters.

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