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I listened through some of the music dissection posts and read through the introduction and rules posts. You guys all seem to be so good that I'm not sure if I, as a fairly sub-par composer may post here without being laught at, or just being ignored cause my music is horrible.

 

Is it for anybody who wants feedback to post there?

The introductory thread didn't say much about what minimum level of classical music teaching you need to have to post for musical feedback, or if there is a genre cap. I'm asking this because I write some type of fusion-esq videogame-esq pieces. They might just be to primitive to even bother with at a place like this?

 

Much love to all of you

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Everyone who is a composer can post music. There is no genre cap or minimum level of musicality to post here.
I think you are a creative guy with interesting music. Feel free to post your music. I think the least expensive approach would be to use electronic patches/samples that sound good. I would avoid using bad-sounding samples that mimic acoustic instruments, like drumkits, oboes, etc. Choose your instruments carefully.
The music dissection introduction and rules make posting music here seem a bit more daunting than the reality of the situation affords.  Out of the replies you will get, maybe one or two will be an actual critique (and you will get a total of one or two replies, in all likelihood, after 4 posts there).  Generally most people will not listen, and most of those who do, like 95%, will be respectful with their critiques, if they offer any, but most will say "cool" or "I like how so and so".  If somebody were to laugh at you they would probably be reprimanded.  If you are merely looking for an audience for your music, my advice is to look elsewhere, but other than that, no need to be afraid to post music in dissection.  In my experience it is pretty dissapointing most times simply because you won't get many replies and as composers, what we really want is an audience.

You cannot expect evryone to be able to listen to everything, and on top of that be in position to critique constructively. Being a composer isn't always enough-some understanding of how the wonderful structure of melody, harmony and sounds works is absolutely needed, not all of us know it in great depth. I personally try to offer what I like and don't like, what I'd like to listen, or what I would change. But if I just like something and wouldn't like anything changed, yes I'll say "I like it. period.".

People cannot listen to every genre of music available in here. I for one am not into atonal music, so I usually don't enjoy such a piece (not always the case though), and I'm certainly not qualified to offer an opinion of any real value to the person posting the piece.

And don't forget that we are all people, with things to do hunting us all day, we listen each other's works for free when and if we can and are in the mood for it.

If you find that your pieces have not recieved enough feedback you can always ask people to listen, most will, and will give you their honest opinion. Asking in chat has brought me a couple of critiques, so I know what I'm talking about. Or try bumping your post once after it has fallen some pages back, unless it is forbidden by the rules. If what you need is audience, I don't think this is a place to get it.

 



Tombo Rombo said:

The music dissection introduction and rules make posting music here seem a bit more daunting than the reality of the situation affords.  Out of the replies you will get, maybe one or two will be an actual critique (and you will get a total of one or two replies, in all likelihood, after 4 posts there).  Generally most people will not listen, and most of those who do, like 95%, will be respectful with their critiques, if they offer any, but most will say "cool" or "I like how so and so".  If somebody were to laugh at you they would probably be reprimanded.  If you are merely looking for an audience for your music, my advice is to look elsewhere, but other than that, no need to be afraid to post music in dissection.  In my experience it is pretty dissapointing most times simply because you won't get many replies and as composers, what we really want is an audience.

Thank you for the replies, I've gotten over my fear of posting music on the dissection forum and posted 3 pieces on it so far. They've all gotten great critique that have taken me into great new directions for my development.

 

One of the rules in of the dissection forums is to not post stuff that you're very proud of and for warm fuzzies, that would include "trying to establish an audience". So it's not my goal at all, I bet even with commercial means very very few people would be interested in listening to my music, with a collective name I like to refer to my music as "weirdo music" since I consider myself to be that. I'm usually very maximalistic and I like doing weird variations and changes to structure. All my pieces are in weird time signatures and have "strange" sonic texture(by using a lot of synthesiser sounds). For most people my music will just sound weird anyways and I encourage people not to listen to it if they don't have a lot of time over.

Anyway my best to both of you, cheers

I disagree with Rombo. If a composer does not get many responses in the Dissection Forum, there is always the option of asking friends who are composers to dissect the particular work.  ...and do we really want people to laugh at our work? LOL.
Hmm, I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with?  My main point in any case was, go ahead and post pieces there, just don't hope for much.  If you really want in depth critiques of your work get a composition teacher (people will be much more willing to critique your music if you are paying them) and if you really want an audience instead this isn't the place.  You may make a few contacts however, this is true.

Doug Lauber said:
I disagree with Rombo. If a composer does not get many responses in the Dissection Forum, there is always the option of asking friends who are composers to dissect the particular work.  ...and do we really want people to laugh at our work? LOL.

I'm, kind of, in the same situation as Vincenti.

Though I'm not afraid to post it because I don't believe it's good enough (after all, I joined the forum because I want to learn from others!), my issue that I have no good way of presenting it. For now, my only way is to let you hear a .midi-file exported straight out of Sibelius. And even if the Sibelius Choir are exquicite when it comes to a vista-reading and concurrency, they don't really have that beautiful choir sound :-)

 

Is it normal that people post their pieces, only presenting an mp3-file containing midi-sounds? Cause pretty much every piece I've come over at this site has been well presented with some kind of VST.

This is usually the case-especially when it comes to ensembles, orchestras, harps or choirs and generally stuff that you need people to be paid in order to record, people mostly use a medium quality library to produce a demo, just for demonstration.  It doesn't really matter, you can see for yourself that most of the times noone really cares about the sounds, as long as they are not so bad that they reduce the quality of he listening experience. I suggest posting a rendered mp3 file using what sounds you have, and a draft score to help us along. And you may ask for someone with good samples to render you your midi, if yours are really that bad.


Axel Olesund said:

I'm, kind of, in the same situation as Vincenti.

Though I'm not afraid to post it because I don't believe it's good enough (after all, I joined the forum because I want to learn from others!), my issue that I have no good way of presenting it. For now, my only way is to let you hear a .midi-file exported straight out of Sibelius. And even if the Sibelius Choir are exquicite when it comes to a vista-reading and concurrency, they don't really have that beautiful choir sound :-)

 

Is it normal that people post their pieces, only presenting an mp3-file containing midi-sounds? Cause pretty much every piece I've come over at this site has been well presented with some kind of VST.

If you think it sounds bad, just put a note in your post, something to the effect:   I realize the midi sounds are crap.  If you could focus on the composition itself in your critique that would be great.

Axel Olesund said:

I'm, kind of, in the same situation as Vincenti.

Though I'm not afraid to post it because I don't believe it's good enough (after all, I joined the forum because I want to learn from others!), my issue that I have no good way of presenting it. For now, my only way is to let you hear a .midi-file exported straight out of Sibelius. And even if the Sibelius Choir are exquicite when it comes to a vista-reading and concurrency, they don't really have that beautiful choir sound :-)

 

Is it normal that people post their pieces, only presenting an mp3-file containing midi-sounds? Cause pretty much every piece I've come over at this site has been well presented with some kind of VST.

Spyrus/Thomas: Thank you for advice. I believe I do realize what I'm doing when I'm arranging, even without actually listening to the notes all the time, so it's not a very big problem. I will try to post one of my pieces later this week, presenting both a MIDI (which will sound crap) as well as an pdf with the full score.

I know the feeling. I'm an aspiring composer not seeking to limit myself to any one genre and I mostly come from a popular music (mainly rock) background. When I listen to some of the orchestral music that gets uploaded by other members here, I'm almost embarrassed for everything I've done simply because it just seems infinitely more complex. In my defense I've written 6 pieces in the last month to try and get a royalty-free music library off the ground and I could've taken more time with it but still.

 

My advice would be that maybe the phrase "you're your own worst critic" is possibly true in cases like ours and to just go for it anyway. Worst case scenario is someone will say something nasty, and from what I've seen so far, they'll be shot down by everyone else for being like that. There's an audience for all types of music and it doesn't need to be complicated to be powerful. I think the ultimate case in point there is Bach's C Major Prelude. Even for a novice pianist it's very easy to play and still someone'll have something not nice to say about you if you criticise it.

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