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19 equal temperament (or 19-tET, 19-EDO system)

Dear composers,

I'm looking for someone willing to compose for classical guitar in a system, which divides the octave into 19 equal steps. You can read more on this temperament and tempered or non-tempered tunings in general here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19_equal_temperament

I play such guitar and already did some little experimental adaptations of the old tonal harmony into this 19-edo system. You can hear them here:

I know these are not my original compositions, but the "arrangements" are. Anyway, the main intention is to draw someone's attention on writing in favour of the 19-edo. Notation is also a problem to solve (I use guitar tabulature); any ideas in this scope are welcome too.

For composers using keyboard synths, there is a free software http://cycling74.com/downloads/ which might work, but you have to consider the most appropriate key layout (using only white keys is also an option). Easier than building this http://www.denzilwraight.com/cs19phs3.jpg :-)

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Permalink Reply by Marco on October 15, 2011 at 7:39am

hallo I think at the and ti musical intentions are the same (of the original pieces) but is only all out of tune!

I think it is not really good, it can be interesting for an experimental pieces, your own pieces, but it must be an experiment not your method of composition is not natural.

(and more: u must have a really good ear to appreciate the difference, in Giuliani seems only out of tune...

it is like if i take the Gioconda and i put the eyes in a little different position, then i put the hair a few on the top and the smile more long...is not an art.... in music your method is very hardly and seems the it is an important thing, but is like the Gioconda modified, i think)

u understand me?

---it s only my opinion--(i always say)

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Permalink Reply by Marek Cupák on October 15, 2011 at 10:33am

Well, it can sound out of tune, but... do you understand how equally tempered systems work? (or any other preceding historical tunings, at all?)

Marco said:

hallo I think at the and ti musical intentions are the same (of the original pieces) but is only all out of tune!

I think it is not really good, it can be interesting for an experimental pieces, your own pieces, but it must be an experiment not your method of composition is not natural.

(and more: u must have a really good ear to appreciate the difference, in Giuliani seems only out of tune...

it is like if i take the Gioconda and i put the eyes in a little different position, then i put the hair a few on the top and the smile more long...is not an art.... in music your method is very hardly and seems the it is an important thing, but is like the Gioconda modified, i think)

u understand me?

---it s only my opinion--(i always say)

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Permalink Reply by Marco on October 15, 2011 at 12:13pm

I think yes and i say u it sounds out of tuning ...'cause for us the 12-eq-tempered system is the system which we listen all music, it goes good, cause change it (I say u that an experiment is good but only this one). I only explained that this processes are not a way to do something good now... but it was an additional comment! think to an orchestra how do you play with all instruments a 19 equal temperament? you must change all instrument, and if the natural process have choice the 12-eq-temp, it win. and also i say that this things don't are our materials but computer composers materials

in XXI sec. we can't play again with this games. Other composers have done this yet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5sI-s4E9js

I do this exemple 'couse is an extreme exemple. how can u play this piano at 100% like we do whit a normal piano?

is beautiful this pieces?

I know that ur process is different in theory, but it carry to this conception of make music! and in music theory is nothing if there isn't a great sound. example: the sacre du printemps can fill the theaters of all the world always the schoenberg orchestral variation op 32 (i Think...or 31) can t do it. schoemberg's music, or better webern's music is a tehorical music and their music have not won...

for us composers may be nice to listen ur experiment but the public??

only this

sorry for English

bye

Marek Cupák said:

Well, it can sound out of tune, but... do you understand how equally tempered systems work? (or any other preceding historical tunings, at all?)

Marco said:

hallo I think at the and ti musical intentions are the same (of the original pieces) but is only all out of tune!

I think it is not really good, it can be interesting for an experimental pieces, your own pieces, but it must be an experiment not your method of composition is not natural.

(and more: u must have a really good ear to appreciate the difference, in Giuliani seems only out of tune...

it is like if i take the Gioconda and i put the eyes in a little different position, then i put the hair a few on the top and the smile more long...is not an art.... in music your method is very hardly and seems the it is an important thing, but is like the Gioconda modified, i think)

u understand me?

---it s only my opinion--(i always say)

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Permalink Reply by Marek Cupák on October 15, 2011 at 3:12pm

That's true! This won't ever be listened by crowds of people just wondering how cool it does sound... Lady Gaga would hardly sing in 19-ET :-)

But for the creative nature of someone who likes to play with tones and have fun, this is an opportunity to think of. And yes, it definitely can produce aesthetically pleasing music - those who can not be pleased are just too 12-ET addicted :-D , in XXI century we can do anything - like those in XVII did.

Marco said:

I think yes and i say u it sounds out of tuning ...'cause for us the 12-eq-tempered system is the system which we listen all music, it goes good, cause change it (I say u that an experiment is good but only this one). I only explained that this processes are not a way to do something good now... but it was an additional comment! think to an orchestra how do you play with all instruments a 19 equal temperament? you must change all instrument, and if the natural process have choice the 12-eq-temp, it win. and also i say that this things don't are our materials but computer composers materials

in XXI sec. we can't play again with this games. Other composers have done this yet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5sI-s4E9js

I do this exemple 'couse is an extreme exemple. how can u play this piano at 100% like we do whit a normal piano?

is beautiful this pieces?

I know that ur process is different in theory, but it carry to this conception of make music! and in music theory is nothing if there isn't a great sound. example: the sacre du printemps can fill the theaters of all the world always the schoenberg orchestral variation op 32 (i Think...or 31) can t do it. schoemberg's music, or better webern's music is a tehorical music and their music have not won...

for us composers may be nice to listen ur experiment but the public??

only this

sorry for English

bye

Marek Cupák said:

Well, it can sound out of tune, but... do you understand how equally tempered systems work? (or any other preceding historical tunings, at all?)

Marco said:

hallo I think at the and ti musical intentions are the same (of the original pieces) but is only all out of tune!

I think it is not really good, it can be interesting for an experimental pieces, your own pieces, but it must be an experiment not your method of composition is not natural.

(and more: u must have a really good ear to appreciate the difference, in Giuliani seems only out of tune...

it is like if i take the Gioconda and i put the eyes in a little different position, then i put the hair a few on the top and the smile more long...is not an art.... in music your method is very hardly and seems the it is an important thing, but is like the Gioconda modified, i think)

u understand me?

---it s only my opinion--(i always say)

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Permalink Reply by Marco on October 16, 2011 at 4:07am

yes, it's right, you can do anything, no problem! but history teach us many things, you must be able to learn this ones!

...we'll see in the future, 'cause i m willing to future and not to past.

bye

Marek Cupák said:

That's true! This won't ever be listened by crowds of people just wondering how cool it does sound... Lady Gaga would hardly sing in 19-ET :-)

But for the creative nature of someone who likes to play with tones and have fun, this is an opportunity to think of. And yes, it definitely can produce aesthetically pleasing music - those who can not be pleased are just too 12-ET addicted :-D , in XXI century we can do anything - like those in XVII did.

Marco said:

I think yes and i say u it sounds out of tuning ...'cause for us the 12-eq-tempered system is the system which we listen all music, it goes good, cause change it (I say u that an experiment is good but only this one). I only explained that this processes are not a way to do something good now... but it was an additional comment! think to an orchestra how do you play with all instruments a 19 equal temperament? you must change all instrument, and if the natural process have choice the 12-eq-temp, it win. and also i say that this things don't are our materials but computer composers materials

in XXI sec. we can't play again with this games. Other composers have done this yet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5sI-s4E9js

I do this exemple 'couse is an extreme exemple. how can u play this piano at 100% like we do whit a normal piano?

is beautiful this pieces?

I know that ur process is different in theory, but it carry to this conception of make music! and in music theory is nothing if there isn't a great sound. example: the sacre du printemps can fill the theaters of all the world always the schoenberg orchestral variation op 32 (i Think...or 31) can t do it. schoemberg's music, or better webern's music is a tehorical music and their music have not won...

for us composers may be nice to listen ur experiment but the public??

only this

sorry for English

bye

Marek Cupák said:

Well, it can sound out of tune, but... do you understand how equally tempered systems work? (or any other preceding historical tunings, at all?)

Marco said:
hallo I think at the and ti musical intentions are the same (of the original pieces) but is only all out of tune!

I think it is not really good, it can be interesting for an experimental pieces, your own pieces, but it must be an experiment not your method of composition is not natural.

(and more: u must have a really good ear to appreciate the difference, in Giuliani seems only out of tune...

it is like if i take the Gioconda and i put the eyes in a little different position, then i put the hair a few on the top and the smile more long...is not an art.... in music your method is very hardly and seems the it is an important thing, but is like the Gioconda modified, i think)

u understand me?

---it s only my opinion--(i always say)